Good idea. Be interesting to see how quickly this thread fills up!

 

Interesting. According to the Electric Highway app, there's only one device at Cherwell Valley and that's Chademo/Type 2 only, no CCS.
Zap-Map has it as also having a Chademo/CCS DC unit there.
No record of the triple-header unit in the photo above.
There used to be Chademo/Type 2 on the left, Chademo/CCS on the right.

 

Given the recent news, it might take a day or two to update.
Probably also why the charger pictured above is currently unmarked, so as to not spoil the announcement.
I expect it will get an EH (or Gridserve) wrap in the coming week.

 

Will be an interesting thread. 300 to replace in say 3 to 6 months. So thats 3 to 7 ish a day. Even this first phase will transform my trips to Anglesey (when I get my next car). Hoping the hubs begin in this time as well - happy days.

 

Dale doubled down on Twitter the other days saying ALL will be replaced by summer. Fair play but extremely overdue.

is the pricing changing to match Gridserves?

 

Summer starts 3rd week of June. 2 months away roughly.

There isn't even a list of the new Efacec chargers they put in previously. I can only find Derby (Shardlow), Sandbach North and Oxford something as being done. There has to be more. It's impossible to find out. The new ones did start with a 2 on the charger code and the highest is 19 I've found so far which infers there are more than 3.

You'd have thought they would have announced the new chargers and made a fuss but there doesn't seem to be much on them at all. The other operators are announcing new chargers weekly and often daily.

 

Summer starts 3rd week of June. 2 months away roughly.

There isn't even a list of the new Efacec chargers they put in previously. I can only find Derby (Shardlow), Sandbach North and Oxford something as being done. There has to be more. It's impossible to find out. The new ones did start with a 2 on the charger code and the highest is 19 I've found so far which infers there are more than 3.

You'd have thought they would have announced the new chargers and made a fuss but there doesn't seem to be much on them at all. The other operators are announcing new chargers weekly and often daily.

As well as the ones you mentioned, Birch East (M62) have one. Woodall North (M1) has one. Forest Green Rovers have one. There are a few others too I think I am missing. Durham (A1) was scheduled to get one soon too but I would assume that is no longer a thing following this announcement.

 

Leigh Delamere services
10+ miles and a few more miles off the motorway for plan B. Single (Chademo and Type 2 IIRC) charger at service. This needs replaced with the new multi-car charger ASAP.

 

Leigh Delamere services
10+ miles and a few more miles off the motorway for plan B. Single (Chademo and Type 2 IIRC) charger at service. This needs replaced with the new multi-car charger ASAP.

Yes, many times I've arrived at Leigh Delamere only to find some plug-in-hybrid sipping 3.6kW on the AC and nobody to be seen after 45 minutes into their charge. The e-stop might have somehow got nudged.

 

Hmm. So not even 10 have been done. So if gridserve get 10 new chargers in they will have surpassed previous recent records!

 

It’s been on free vend too

 

I said in the other thread that it was next to Greg’s, and there it is. 😀

Why didn’t they replace the other charger, at the same time, as well, at a busy MSA like this?

It may be that they were shamed into replacing this charger, as it was the one recently feature in Ginny Buckley’s, ITV program on electric cars “are we ready”, or is it just me being cynical?

 

The charger that was removed was originally located at Oxford Services but was replaced because it never worked, it never worked well at Cherwell either.

People heading along the M40 will just use the Instavolt hub at Banbury now.

 

If you fancy a change, can always fillup at Banbury, jump on to Fosse way via Gaydon, rejoin M1 at Leicester. Lovely scenic route (apart from final Narborough bit!), for me it breaks up the monotony of motorway/duals. Or you can do Fosse way to A5, go up that a few miles to M69 then to M1.

 

Thanks for that, I will give it a try, I have have been using the A43 route now for so many years, one gets stuck in ones ways and closed ones mind to alternatives.

 

I'm waiting for them to make a start on the M4, in particular Leigh Delamere which others have mentioned. I'm surprised that wasn't top of their priority list, being in such a strategic position on one of the country's busiest motorways. And no CCS either (although that doesn't bother me personally )

 

Anyone found any others?

 

Rownhams services – M27 Hampshire – currently have MSA’s both West bound heading towards Bournemouth, New Forest and East bound heading towards M3 and Portsmouth.

Both MSA’s currently have just 1 Ecotricity DBT A/C and CHAdeMO charger – no CCS so would expect the Westbound be swapped out by Gridserve.

However East bound bigger things are happening:

20/03020/FULLS | Provision of 24no Electric Vehicle charging points | Rownhams East Motorway Service Area M27 Eastbound Service Road Rownhams Southampton Hampshire SO16 8AP (East Bound)

Application for 12 TESLA Duel chargers and 4 Duel Ecotricity chargers X 2 bays each charger – Planning permission is yet to be decided. There have been no objections so should go ahead.

20/03020/FULLS | Provision of 24no Electric Vehicle charging points | Rownhams East Motorway Service Area M27 Eastbound Service Road Rownhams Southampton Hampshire SO16 8AP (testvalley.gov.uk)



BP Rownhams Service Station M27 Eastbound Service Road Rownhams Southampton Hampshire SO16 8AP

Installation of electric vehicle (EV) charging bays, associated power connections and infrastructure

20/02878/FULLS | Installation of electric vehicle (EV) charging bays, associated power connections and infrastructure | BP Rownhams Service Station M27 Eastbound Service Road Rownhams Southampton Hampshire SO16 8AP (testvalley.gov.uk)

Planning Application withdrawn – scheme for 4 chargers at the BP fuel station not going ahead.

Other MSA with Ecotricity Chargers that need swapping out are:

Winchester Services: MOTO

Northbound and Southbound

Sutton Scotney: Roadchef

North bound and Southbound

I will monitor progress and provide updates as and when.

 

Rownhams services – M27 Hampshire – currently have MSA’s both West bound heading towards Bournemouth, New Forest and East bound heading towards M3 and Portsmouth.

Both MSA’s currently have just 1 Ecotricity DBT A/C and CHAdeMO charger – no CCS so would expect the Westbound be swapped out by Gridserve.

However East bound bigger things are happening:

20/03020/FULLS | Provision of 24no Electric Vehicle charging points | Rownhams East Motorway Service Area M27 Eastbound Service Road Rownhams Southampton Hampshire SO16 8AP (East Bound)

Application for 12 TESLA Duel chargers and 4 Duel Ecotricity chargers X 2 bays each charger – Planning permission is yet to be decided. There have been no objections so should go ahead.

20/03020/FULLS | Provision of 24no Electric Vehicle charging points | Rownhams East Motorway Service Area M27 Eastbound Service Road Rownhams Southampton Hampshire SO16 8AP (testvalley.gov.uk)



BP Rownhams Service Station M27 Eastbound Service Road Rownhams Southampton Hampshire SO16 8AP

Installation of electric vehicle (EV) charging bays, associated power connections and infrastructure

20/02878/FULLS | Installation of electric vehicle (EV) charging bays, associated power connections and infrastructure | BP Rownhams Service Station M27 Eastbound Service Road Rownhams Southampton Hampshire SO16 8AP (testvalley.gov.uk)

Planning Application withdrawn – scheme for 4 chargers at the BP fuel station not going ahead.

Other MSA with Ecotricity Chargers that need swapping out are:

Winchester Services: MOTO

Northbound and Southbound

Sutton Scotney: Roadchef

North bound and Southbound

I will monitor progress and provide updates as and when.

Nice spot! Rugby services has 12 Tesla chargers and 12 Ecotricity/GRIDSERVE 350kW HPC and is due to be opened very soon. They're saying April/May!

 

MOTORWAY SERVICES ON LINE - Link below has all the MSA listed and the associated Planning Authorities - very useful.


Planning Authorities - Motorway Services, Planning Authorities | service station info (motorwayservicesonline.co.uk)

 

I've used Sutton Scotney Northbound on my way home from Novatech in Portsmouth to Newbury a couple of times. A vital stop for that journey. Never had a problem, or had to queue, but any improvement is welcome!

 

And was that CCS at Sutton Scotney? Or Chademo? It's one place I might use, if I trusted it...

 

I don't remember since I use CHAdeMO. Zap-Map will tell you.

 

Found these up and coming future charger developments at MSA;s:

Thurrock services – RM16 3BG – 16 Tesla chargers and 10 Ecotricity Chargers.

Status – Planning Permission Granted.


Planning – Planning Application Documents

20/00752/FUL | Formation of new parking area for 26 new electric vehicle charging parking spaces adjacent the existing car park. | Thurrock Services Arterial Road West Thurrock RM16 3BG


20/00752/FUL | Formation of new parking area for 26 new electric vehicle charging parking spaces adjacent the existing car park. | Thurrock Services Arterial Road West Thurrock RM16 3BG




Installation of electric vehicle chargers and bays with equipment compound, GRP electrics cabinet and substation at Shell Taunton Deane North, M5 Northbound, Taunton

Total of 2 chargers. – Planning permission granted.

Planning application details (somersetwestandtaunton.gov.uk)



Stafford services North bound – RM16 3BG – 12 Tesla chargers and 6 Ecotricity Chargers.

Status – Planning Permission Granted.

20/32527/FUL | Formation of 18 dedicated electric vehicle charging parking spaces | Motorway Service Area Stafford Services M6 Northbound Stone ST15 0EU

Stafford Borough Council - applicationviewer (staffordbc.gov.uk)



Motorway Service Area Reading Services Westbound Burghfield Reading RG30 3UQ 12 Tesla chargers and 10 Ecotricity Chargers.

Status – Planning Permission Granted.



20/01366/COMIND | Formation of 22No new electrical charging parking spaces and 1 non-charging parking space | Motorway Service Area Reading Services Westbound Burghfield Reading RG30 3UQ

Planning Documents (westberks.gov.uk)



Moto Break Pease Pottage Motorway Services Brighton Road Pease Pottage West Sussex RH11 9YA

10 Tesla chargers and 6 Ecotricity Chargers.

Status – Planning Permission Granted.



Alteration and extension to the existing public car parking area to form 18 electric vehicle charging spaces and 20 no charging spaces for an overall addition of 10 parking spaces.

DM/20/2150 | Alteration and extension to the existing public car parking area to form 18 electric vehicle charging spaces and 20 no charging spaces for an overall addition of 10 parking spaces. | Moto Break Pease Pottage Motorway Services Brighton Road Pease Pottage West Sussex RH11 9YA (midsussex.gov.uk)



6 BP Chargers.

Status – Planning Permission Granted.



20/00342/FUL | Six electric vehicle charging points with associated plant | M8 Motorway Service Area - South Harthill South Services Motorway Services Harthill North Lanarkshire

20/00342/FUL | Six electric vehicle charging points with associated plant | M8 Motorway Service Area - South Harthill South Services Motorway Services Harthill North Lanarkshire



Moto Hospitality Ltd - M4 Services - Phoenix Way - Heston Hounslow Middlesex -TW5 9NB

In January 2021, Moto were granted planning permission to install 16 electric vehicle charging bays to the north of the main car park on the westbound side. These bays will include 6 Ecotricity charging points and 10 Tesla Superchargers.


10 Tesla chargers and 6 Ecotricity Chargers.

Status – Planning Permission Granted.

M62 Birch Services (Westbound), Whittle Lane Heywood, OL10 2RB

Installation of 16 no. electric vehicle charging parking spaces on perimeter of existing car parking area

20/00683/FUL | Installation of 16 no. electric vehicle charging parking spaces on perimeter of existing car parking area | M62 Birch Services (Westbound), Whittle Lane Heywood, OL10 2RB (rochdale.gov.uk)



6 BP Chargers.

Status – Planning Permission Granted.



20/00342/FUL | Six electric vehicle charging points with associated plant | M8 Motorway Service Area - South Harthill South Services Motorway Services Harthill North Lanarkshire

20/00342/FUL | Six electric vehicle charging points with associated plant | M8 Motorway Service Area - South Harthill South Services Motorway Services Harthill North Lanarkshire



Baldock Services Great North Road Radwell Baldock Hertfordshire SG7 5TR

Installation of six electric vehicle (EV) charging points and associated infrastructure.

Installation of 6 IONITY Chargers – Planning Permission Granted.

20/00153/FP | Installation of six electric vehicle (EV) charging points and associated infrastructure. | Baldock Services Great North Road Radwell Baldock Hertfordshire SG7 5TR (north-herts.gov.uk)



Peterborough Services Peterborough Motorway Services Haddon PE7 3UQ

Installation of 6 IONITY Chargers – Planning Permission Granted.

19/01412/FUL | Installation of six electric vehicle charging points and associated infrastructure. | Peterborough Services Peterborough Motorway Services Haddon PE7 3UQ (huntingdonshire.gov.uk)

Extra MSA Blackburn M65 Junction 4 Darwen BB3 0AT

Installation of 6 IONITY Chargers – Planning Permission Granted.

Online Standard Details (blackburn.gov.uk)

 

Only repeating what's on their site! I personally know zip about VAT, other than it's unavoidable, like death...

 

i like the mix of Tesla and regular chargers. Not a huge fan of how many Tesla chargers are off the beaten track. Yes they’re reliable and there are more in each location, but I prefer the convenience of a MSA than the back of a hotel car park if I’m travelling with my family

 

From Octopus Energy

"Electric Juice doesn't charge any premium on top of the network providers - we simply pass through the cost they give us.

• Charging on a Char.gy lamppost costs 33p per kWh, with no connection or transaction fees.
• Charging on an Osprey rapid costs 36p per kWh, with no connection or transaction fees.
• Charging on an IONITY ultra-rapid costs 66p per kWh, including a 5% discount from Octopus Energy. There are no connection or transaction fees.
• LiFe Energy, Alfa Power, Plug-N-Go and Hubsta do not have a standard price for charging. The rate you'll pay is that which a regular "Pay as you Go" customer would receive on any of these networks.

Any charges will be added to your Octopus Energy bill when either paying by Octopus or using your Electric Juice Network card.
Details on other charging network costs will be added as they launch."

 

What location spotted?

 

Looks like some backend work going on:

 

I think the question is not whether you're paying a cheaper end price, but is it (for Osprey, for eg)

30p + 20% VAT = 36p, or
34.29p + 5% VAT = 36p

I've had a look at my Octopus bill and it doesn't specify. Domestic electricity is broken down both inc and ex VAT, but the Octopus Juice charges are only shown inc VAT.

 

I think the question is not whether you're paying a cheaper end price, but is it (for Osprey, for eg)

30p + 20% VAT = 36p, or
34.29p + 5% VAT = 36p

Not sure if I've understood you correctly, but for Osprey the VAT exclusive price is 30p, as per your first line. If you have the app and they bill you monthly, they charge you 31p - strictly it should be 31.5p at a 5% VAT rate, but they obviously want you to use the app.

If you mean does Osprey actually only account for 5% VAT even if you don't use the app, then I wouldn't think so - however unlikely it is that they would have supplied you with more than 1000kwh at the same charger in a month, without monthly billing they have no evidence that they haven't. On the other hand, they don't really have the evidence when they do bill you monthly, as you could have sometimes used the app and sometimes not. The whole thing just looks well dodge to me, but I don't know what advice or clearances they've got. <@55COVER = ON>.

 

Checking on ZapMap still only one EH contactless rapid in the whole country. Anyone seen a schedule for the upgrades ?

 

Gridserve responded to a video on YouTube stating the new units won't arrive in the UK until late April:

 

So nothing new going to showup until May or June, hope they have hired enough people to get them installed in a reasonable time.

 

Who said that?

 

Gridserve are in the process of constructing 2 new solar electric forecourts, the same as the development at Braintree.

1. Norwich (I couldn't find any planning application information on this)

2. Uckfield (Full planning permission was granted on 16-03-2021 - as below link)


Uckfield – Planning Permission Granted – for Gridserve Solar Forecourt and Charger Installation.

PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF A SOLAR ELECTRIC FORECOURT®, COMPRISING 24 CORE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING POINTS, A SOLAR PHOTOVOLTAIC (PV) FARM OF UP TO 5.5MW AND ENERGY STORAGE. THE HUB BUILDING WILL CONTAIN A MIX OF ANCILLARY DWELL FACILITIES INCLUDING WCS, COFFEE SHOP, RETAIL, SEATING AREA, MEETING ROOMS/ WORKSPACE AND A DISPLAY AREA. PROVISION OF CAR PARKING, HARD AND SOFT LANDSCAPING AND ACCESS ARRANGEMENTS OFF THE COPWOOD ROUNDABOUT. DIVERSION OF PUBLIC FOOTPATH.



Planning application display - Application Reference Number: WD/2020/1244/MAJ (wealden.gov.uk)

I initially found this information contained in this news article:

GRIDSERVE ‘moving heaven and earth’ in Electric Highway replacement works

GRIDSERVE ‘moving heaven and earth’ in Electric Highway replacement works | Current News (current-news.co.uk)

 

Gridserve are in the process of constructing 2 new solar electric forecourts, the same as the development at Braintree.

1. Norwich (I couldn't find any planning application information on this)

It's in this thread: Norwich East Electric Forecourt