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GTE Data captured over OBD-II port

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#1 ·
I did a quick drive today with a friend's HEX+CAN logging some data. I was logging many parameters so the refresh rate was kinda low, but I was able to get visibility of some operational parameters.

Here are some of my observations:-

GTE Full Acceleration
Under full acceleration the electric motor is outputting ~50kW and engine load is logged at 99.5% or higher. Under full electric only acceleration the electric motor outputs ~81kW.

The 50kW of the electric motor corresponds to roughly 67 hp so combined with the 150 hp engine puts the total system power output at 217 hp. However this will only be reached by the engine at peak rpm. This compares to a pure e-car where the power is reached after peak torque rpm, and maintained continuously until a speed limit or other mechanical or thermal limit is reached.

I suspect the reason the full 81kW is not available in GTE mode, because the gearbox is torque limited. This actually corresponds well with the observation that the 0-30 mph of the vehicle is faster in e-mode than in GTE.

50-70 mph acceleration was sub 4 seconds. More testing needed ;).

Creep
At low speeds, the electric motor drops to a low RPM and the gearbox sits in 1st gear. So the clutches are not used even when the motor speed is sub 200rpm. They may be used at very low speeds, I am currently unable to confirm this.

The engine does turn over in e-mode
VW do state this in the service manual, but it is interesting to get confirmation of this. I recorded two events in pure e-mode where the engine was turning over between 500 and 1000 rpm. More research is needed here to see under what circumstances it does this. But this seems to be intended to keep the engine lubricated.

Engine warm up during acceleration
Accelerating under GTE mode raised cold engine at 50C to 57C. Engine warmed from 17C to 50C by running on motorway speeds for 1 minute, so warming the engine up prior to vigorous acceleration does not take much time, and may be wise. I suspect the e-mode lock out after engine start is related to temperature of oil or coolant.

E-motor temperature/power limit
I got the motor up to a peak temperature of 98C and no power limiting was observed in the e-motor. I will need to test this more to determine whether it is the battery or motor that limits power on long uphill accelerations (e.g. 70 mph on the M621 uphill for me can hit the power limit sometimes.) I suspect it is the battery & not the e-motor.
 
#4 ·
More interesting facts and figures.

Total system power is 250.2hp at a speed of ~70 mph with foot to floor. This car is FAST, and has as much power as VW state the GTI has!

0-60 time in GTE Mode is 7.7 seconds uphill, 6.7 seconds downhill (imperfect run due to wet surface), average acceleration is 7.2 seconds to 60.

The 1.4L TSI produces about 184 hp at peak rpm, and 266 N-m of torque at 3400 rpm on my example. Which is definitely impressive - I wonder if the engine is tuned to be a bit punchier as it seems surprising that VW would also put this in a standard Golf with the same power output.

One really nice thing about the E-motor is it fills in perfectly for the engine's variation in power over rpm - see attached graph.
 

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#7 ·
I saw a new peak of 86kW in e-mode only for the electric motor and acceleration (0-60) of 10.9 seconds in e-mode. Peak e-machine torque of 309Nm which is almost 20% more than the engine's peak torque. Crazy how torquey these E-motors are.

The gearing strategy for the two modes is interesting. In e-mode, even under aggressive acceleration, the car counts gears up slowly, keeping the e-motor in a relatively low rpm band.

In comparison, in GTE mode it is in 4th gear at 70 mph and only drops to 6th after letting off the pedal.

Just goes to show some of the engineering that has gone into this car, the level of data and attention to detail in the datasets is fantastic.
 
#9 ·
On a similar theme I've recently received my OBDeleven Plug to go with the app. I've been watching a bit of live data from the engine whilst in E-Mode. It would appear the maximum output of the motor (at 100% on the meter) is 200A. At the opposite end of the scale, the maximum regen (when all of the green 'charge' is available) allows a 100A to be put back into the battery.

I briefly put the car into 'Battery Charge' mode and whilst driving the charge was about 50% of the Charge bar - on the live data it was showing 50A - a decent wedge quicker than 16A wall unit i've got at home!

It would appear that the bar (in my Mk 7.5 car with AID) is actually fairly progressive, so 25% on the meter is 50A, 50% is 100A etc.

Finally, for anyone interested, the radio doesn't appear to draw any noticeable current whilst idle but the headlights take 1A and the heater on auto for 24 degrees takes 20A!!!!