Model 3 is 0.23
Model S 0.24
Ioniq 0.24
Prius 0.24
Model X 0.25
ID.3 0.26
New Leaf 0.28
Old Leaf 0.29

 

@E-Gizmo are those CDa figures? The figures give the impression that the much larger Model X is more slippery/efficient through the air than the ID.3.
I rarely see the "a" being mentioned, but unless I'm misunderstanding the definitions of CD and CDa, surely we should always be quoting CDa to give a true aerodynamic figure and taking into account the frontal area.

 

You're right, CD on it's own is somewhat misleading, but that's the only figure manufacturers generally seem to quote.

There are various CD and CDa figures here:

Automobile drag coefficient - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

e.g. Model S: CD = 0.24, CDa = 0.562 sqM

Not sure how the average person goes about calculating the frontal area of a car? I don't think it's quite as straight forward as width x height ?

 

Limited to a maximum of 2,000 kWh.

The Part from the brief : charge their ID.3 1ST vehicles free of charge for one year from the first day of vehicle registration up to a maximum of 2,000 kWh.

This applies to all charging stations linked to WeCharge including the Ionity network

Does anybody know what stations are linked to the WeCharge Network in the UK

 

does anyone know when the exact prices and specifications will be released? I still hold a reservation but I don't want to cancel it on an off chance it will be really competitive in relation to Model 3 price and spec (although I am not holding my breath)...

 

In the initial launch presentation on 8 May the presenter said that reservations would be converted into firm orders initially in Germany after the reveal in September. That would be followed in the UK in early 2020. Reservation holders would be given a two month window to convert to a firm, non-cancellable order. All non converted reservations would be refunded automatically at the end of the two months. He also said that there would not be any demo cars in the showrooms before the end of the two months in the UK. Also, delivery in the UK would not be before mid 2020 which I interpreted as June.

 

Nothing is forthcoming as of yet, this will give you a bit of an idea though (‘Line 2 = Plus)

 

Not looking too good for the UK pricing if those prices are direct conversions:-

Line 1 (standard) 40,000 euros - £35,670.60
Line 2 (plus) 46,000 euros - £41,021.19
Line 3 (max) 50,000 euros - £44,588.25

So its looking like it is already going to cost similar money to the Tesla Model 3 SR+, and may also get taxed as a luxury car.

 

Add around £3-5k because Brexit. (Wild guess)

 

I'm only just catching up with this thread - lots of interesting info, thanks!

Did I notice someone say you can't put a roof rack on the ID3 though? That would be a complete deal breaker for me as I regularly transport bikes on the roof and refuse to put expensive road bikes on the back of the car for fear of tail end accidents, not to mention the hassle when opening the boot. Gutted if this genuinely is the case. Not sure anyone was able to definitely confirm this?

 

Max 2 bikes I see...

 

Is this on the roof?

 

I suspect VW UK will aim to get 1st Edition on sale at <£40K before grant. Part of reason they went for mid-spec was to keep price sensible.

Due to EU emissions, they need to sell the ID3 so will probably be OK to lose a bit per car initially while they ramp up production and get costs down. Cost of breaking emissions target would probably be more than a small loss per car.

 

Niro prices weren't very good, when we bought finance prices were more than the M3 price's I've seen recently.

I bought the Niro as it's the only one that fits my needs.

 

The new Zoe does 240 miles odd..?

 

Of course, forgot - have completely discounted it on being too small! Basically I need something for a family of 4 that can take a bit of luggage for the odd holiday. GTE not great of course, which is why I have had the roof box for these occasions. Father in law has the Kona and the boot looks even smaller than the GTE! So hence landing on Tesla, e-Niro or ID.3.

 

It appears that the iD3 Max Edition’s Interior quality / materials used don’t seem anywhere as good as my old Golf R (MK7).
It all sounds very plasticky and also looks like no vegan leather option?
For something which could end up costing up to £50k approx, I think Volkswagen have missed its mark by a long shot.

 

I think the lower end interior and BMW i3 style dash along with the weird way the bonnet area has been handled using that odd looking plastic bulge along the top have been done very purposefully by VW to differentiate it from the upcoming Mk 8 Golf. They don't want this car mainstream just yet, so the Golf gets to have a beautiful integrated dash and higher end interior finish.

VW have to walk a very careful line for now, the Golf has been their golden goose car for over 40 years now. After all if the ID3 was to have a better interior and dash and less quirky styling what reason would anyone have to choose the Golf? The reality is It's technically utterly obsolete next to the ID3 so has to have something to differentiate it.

 

Cheers @colinstone they look a good fit.
How much did they set you back?
I sent them an email last week but not had a reply yet.

 

When I got my set 4 years ago it was £895 plus VAT. Gone up a little since. They send a diagram of the seats etc with the same panels of the orginal seats, in my case cloth. Emailed back sheet with panel colours and with details, factory in Malaysia makes seat cover kits and air freighted back to UK. Volvo use Bridge of Weir, Scotland, leather which is flown to M, then back to Sweden etc. I bought the car with the seat heater option. Lots of DK extras - piping, logos etc et but I kept it simple.
Still all a perfect fit.

 

At least the VW web site is being honest about the range.

80% of drivers can drive between 140 and 205 miles with the smaller battery version (45 kWh, net), between 186 and 260 miles with the medium battery version (58kWh, net) and between 240 and 340 miles with the biggest battery version (77kWh, net) without needing to recharge.

https://www.volkswagen.co.uk/electric/id/id-family/id3

But no price yet, next year at the earliest I would imaging.

 

I cancelled my reservation and ordered Model 3 SR+ instead. At that pace, PICG will be withdrawn or reduced by the time VW decides they are ready to release the car.

 

Wise move

 

@Bertie most of the people on here live in an EV bubble... which rarely has anything to do with reality.

I agree with your points and give a lot more credit to the legacy car manufacturers for their efforts. I also would like to point out that they are playing the long game, and by that I mean looking forward 50 to 100 years (in case of Toyota).

 

I haven't said anyone is making poor EVs. You are putting words in my mouth that I did not say. I may have joked about Tesla quality as that is what VW fans always bang on about (but we are actually very happy with quality of both of ours).

What I said is some manufactures are not making them to appeal to their mainstream buyers initially. The ID3 is aimed at a different buyer to the Golf - hence trim, etc. Likewise BMW made the i3 to appeal to a different buyer to a 3 Series or SUV. They have to do this or would create demand they could not fulfill initially.

It is blooming difficult to transition from fossil fuel production to BEV and manage demand vs. production. Hopefully they will achieve it and we will see fossil fuel cars sales stop by 2030. I certainly hope we don't have to wait 50 years FFS.

 

I haven't said anyone is making poor EVs. You are putting words in my mouth that I did not say. I may have joked about Tesla quality as that is what VW fans always bang on about (but we are actually very happy with quality of both of ours).

Sorry, I replied to you for convenience, but the whole thread was going that way. I think what you were implying was that makers were deliberately making their EVs less good than they could so as not to sell too many - which I agree is different to 'making crap cars', but I still think it's overly cynical. I agree they are deliberately making them sub-optimal in order to hit a price point. All car makers do this for all cars obviously, but it seems the compromises are tougher - and more noticeable - for EVs right now. (Although I think part of the problem is that if people are paying £40k for an EV they expect that to compare to a £40k ICE car - and makers are struggling to meet that expectation right now)

(And it does appear that Tesla have a problem with the consistency of their build quality, but that's a whole different thread!)

 

My believe is that the price comparity between ICE and EVs will level out not because the battery cars become as cheap to make but because as lower volumes of Ice cars are made they become more expensive to make. Batteries will continue to be cheaper over time but will they ever get dirt cheap? Development of different battery types will drive this. So electric motors, and their associated gadgetry for conversion and charging, are they cheaper than combustion engine? I don't know that but one thing that is not in an ICE car that I do not see getting cheaper is the thick copper (?) Cabling between the high voltage components

 

So electric motors, and their associated gadgetry for conversion and charging, are they cheaper than combustion engine?

You are kidding right? Average ICE car has 2000+ moving (separate) parts. Compare that to an electric motor with ~20 moving parts.
According to the boss of VAG, an EV takes about 30% less human labour to produce, compared to an ICE.

 

@proddick And you are still blaming the manufacturers for that? All you are talking about is marketing! It is a well established approach for introducing a new product on the market: differentiation. It is essential for new products and their survival.

 

It is differentiation, but not against the competition - against itself. I take on board the points being made about cost of EVs etc. but I can't be the only one who essentially wants a Golf that is electrified with the range of the ID and be willing to pay a premium for this. This is the point. They haven't done this because for now, the Golf is too much of a cash cow and they want to sell additional cars, not 'instead of a Golf'. So yes differentiation but only of its existing portfolio - not to differentiate from competitor cars in my opinion.

 

I don't think they are making EVs "less good", just making them appeal to specific customers rather than the bulk of their customers - for now. Obviously there are also compromises, for example low range in what looks like a very nice EV from Honda.

Pricing is one method they are all using to discourage a lot of buyers - even the new Zoe has got expensive. The hope that prices would come down for deliveries in 2020 doesn't seem to have happened - I guess we need to see production volume increase for that to occur?

 

Pricing is one method they are all using to discourage a lot of buyers - even the new Zoe has got expensive. The hope that prices would come down for deliveries in 2020 doesn't seem to have happened - I guess we need to see production volume increase for that to occur?

I hear the Kona is going back on sale again but for over £40k!

 

I am wondering now it is new year when we will have more detail of what follows after the 1st addition!

VW will want a seamless production of the standard build model once the orders for the 1st have been built. Summer seems to be the aim for the delivery of the 1st, will they stockpile all 30,000 and deliver them all at the same time?

If the aim is for all 30,000 1st additions to be built by mid/late summer they will need to start taking orders before that deadline for future production (say in the spring).

Has anybody heard what the timescale is for the completion of all the 1st addition?

 

I posted a thread with some rumours. Also it now seems 1st Ed cars will be delivered FROM Summer and some people may not get until late 2020. I suspect they will still be producing 1st Ed for at least first half of 2020.

ID3 Variants Rumour (Dec 2019)

Based on leaked data there is a rumour that there will be four variants of ID3 when general ordering opens. Looks plausible and cost cutting on Pure should allow lower price and might be popular as larger 2nd car vs Zoe or e208 if similar price? Article has prices but less sure those can be...

www.speakev.com

 

I got an email from VW today inviting me to check out the website to learn more about the ID3 1st Edition.

It mentions "Feel the benefit of an acceleration upgrade" - what does that mean?

No AR Heads up display, but "For an unexpected touch, there are play-and-pause icons pedals" - I'd rather have the Heads up display than fancy pedals.

Clicking on the links for Driver Assistance info brings up a blank page.

Looks like Matrix LED lights are optional according to the website.

No comfort seats with massage option.

 

No AR Heads up display, but "For an unexpected touch, there are play-and-pause icons pedals" - I'd rather have the Heads up display than fancy pedals.

Ha. I suspect those two pedals cost them an extra 5€ whereas the bought-in, high tech AR probably costs them 500€!

In UK you will need to wait for general ordering before you can get one with AR and I suspect will only be an option on higher spec model. Hopefully you are prepared to pay the "luxury" car tax as it will be over £40K before PICG. Assuming PICG is actually still availble by then