One of those sets of numbers is credible for actual real world use. It’s not the Tesla claims.

I’d recommend EV Database for real world information - it says 300 miles for the Polestar 3 long range, and 340 for the Tesla 3 long range.

 

I’d recommend EV Database for real world information - it says 300 miles for the Polestar 3 long range, and 340 for the Tesla 3 long range.

Well if you go by what you referenced on EV Database, thats even less credible, as Tesla gets even more mileage than Polestar. Thats even less creditable given that the Polestar has a 111kWh battery and the Tesla a 78.kWh battery! The battery size difference is huge. No way does it get 40 miles more range with a much smaller battery pack.

 

@tommydog1 Two different types of cars. The Polestar 3 weighs about 800kg more than the Model 3!

Plus the drag coefficient of the Polestar 3 is 0.29 vs 0.22 for the Model 3.

Compare like for like rather than oranges with apples.

 

@tommydog1 Two different types of cars. The Polestar 3 weighs about 800kg more than the Model 3!

Plus the drag coefficient of the Polestar 3 is 0.29 vs 0.22 for the Model 3.

So you believe the range claims are accurate and the Tesla is getting almost identical range out of a tiny 78.1kWh battery compared to a 111kWh battery on the Polestar?

 

After owning Tesla M3P for nearly 2 years I can confirm that they are very well sorted cars in terms of BMS. Over the almost 20K miles I put on mine before was sold my average was 4.1 m/kWh. Considering the fact that the car was on 20" wheels and I wasn't really trying to drive "economically" this is really good. In summer in a few occasions when we went long distance (350+ miles) and not in a hurry, the car returned 5.2/5.4 m/kWh....on motorway keeping with the traffic.

 

The Polestar 3 is significantly bigger and heavier than the Model 3 - see e.g. Tesla Model 3 2017-2023 vs. Polestar 3 2024-present.

A fairer comparison would be with the Model Y, or possibly even the Model X.

P*3 LR SM: WLTP 402 miles, EVDB real range 310 miles
P*3 LR DM: WLTP 363 miles, EVDB 300 miles
P*3 LR DM Performance: WLTP 343 miles, EVDB 290 miles

Model Y LR RWD: WLTP 373 miles, EVDB 280 miles
Model Y LR DM: WLTP 331 miles, EVDB 275 miles
Model Y LR Performance: WLTP 319 miles, EVDB 265 miles

The model Y is slightly more efficient than the P*3, if normalised per kWh of capacity.

The model 3 will be more efficient still, being smaller, lighter and more aerodynamic.

 

Does it matter? I charge at home 95% of the time, and the difference in efficiency between our current iX50 and our old Tesla MY is maybe 20%, but over a year thats only £50 in extra electricity on cars that both depreciate £10k or more.

It might matter if you public charge a lot, otherwise, enjoy the car you prefer, the range difference between them doesn't seem massive as an loss in efficiency is made up in extra battery capacity, and I suspectt he Polestar will go further anyway in the real world..

 

Does it matter? I charge at home 95% of the time, and the difference in efficiency between our current iX50 and our old Tesla MY is maybe 20%, but over a year thats only £50 in extra electricity on cars that both depreciate £10k or more.

It might matter if you public charge a lot, otherwise, enjoy the car you prefer, the range difference between them doesn't seem massive as an loss in efficiency is made up in extra battery capacity, and I suspectt he Polestar will go further anyway in the real world..

Exactly my thoughts.
Our Ioniq 5 isn't the most efficient EV on the road, but it still costs under 3 Pence per mile in winter to run. This is 1/10th the running cost of the diesel Freelander 2 it replaced, and the Ioniq is faster, has more space, and cost's less to maintain.

 

Once an EV's weight goes (well) above 2000 kg, you're well into the region of diminishing returns.
I can get 200 miles in summer easily in my Ioniq 38 ~1600 Kg, about 42 kWh total, but 38.3 kWh usable.

When the Ioniq 6 came out, with a lower Cd drag coefficient & 2x the battery capacity and improved efficiency in the motor's electronics, I wondered if we'd see that car get close to 400 mile range. I don't think any of those owners are getting 400 miles, ever. Around 360 seems to be about the best they can do. Good, but you can see the effect of a heavier battery - larger tyres needed = more Rolling Resistance etc.

Keep this trend up, and you have the new Rolls Royce Sceptre EV, weight about 3000 Kg, battery 102 kWh usable, highway mid-weather range 270 miles (info ev-database.org). Wasteful & inefficient in my book.

 

Once an EV's weight goes (well) above 200 kg, you're well into the region of diminishing returns.
I can get 200 miles in summer easily in my Ioniq 38 - about 42 kWh total, but 38.3 kWh usable.

When the Ioniq 6 came out, with a lower Cd drag coefficient & 2x the battery capacity and improved efficiency in the motor's electronics, I wondered if we'd see that car get close to 400 mile range. I don't think any of those owners are getting 400 miles, ever. Around 360 seems to be about the best they can do. Good, but you can see the effect of a heavier battery - larger tyres needed = more Rolling Resistance etc.

Keep this trend up, and you have the new Rolls Royce Sceptre EV, weight about 3000 Kg, battery 102 kWh usable, highway mid-weather range 270 miles (info ev-database.org). Wasteful & inefficient in my book.

I had my i3S only for a week now but I've already done 180 miles round trip with it. In whole honesty I was astonished that I've managed to get it (almost) in one charge. I went down to 6% remaining and at this point I was siting at 151.3 miles. Plugged in on a 100kW charger and within 15 minutes I was back to 55%, so it was no hardship to drive home with a lot of battery to spare. This is from usable battery of 37 kWh. The skinny tires and the much less weight of the car made a huge difference.

 

The Tesla will be more efficient. Hands down. Whether you want to buy one for a variety of other reasons is personal choice.

 

Raspy's post was the best one. Tesla is lighter, and more aerodynamic - you can tell by looking at them.

Also Tesla may have better powertrain efficiency, they are known to be a leader in areas like motor and related electronics. So they tend to do a bit better than others for a given weight of car.

But weight and drag coefficient are the two key predictors of a car's efficiency.

 

Like @raspy said. They are completely different cars. With an extra 800 kg, almost 2000 pounds in America, or nearly the weight of an early years Honda Civic.

Based on its weight and comparing it to my iX, I can only imagine that a good amount of that weight is in quality materials and sound dampening, both of which are lacking in a Tesla.

No offense to the Tesla folk here of course, but I'll take a little less efficiency for a night and day difference in ride comfort, quietness, and etc that I'm sure this Polestar offers like that of my iX.

 

Is sound dampening really only a positive thing though? Sounds like a cyclists pressing their bell or shouting at you, children talking and laughing, and a motorbike revving its engine a bit as it prepares to cut through a gap between me and another car are all sounds I want to hear for safety reasons.

 

You really expect to hear children talking and laughing while you are driving your car?

 

If the car's own sound is suppressed in the right way, you could be more likely to hear bike bells and other external noises.