[Abercol]

And, dejavu, here we are, back at the start….

 

[Philip Medlock]

Yet Norwegians are trampling over each other to get a BZ4X, and it's not like they can't get Ioniq 5's if they wanted to.
They must know something that you guys don't, since the BZ4X is outselling 2:1 all KIA and Hyundai models combined and there's many many. Explain that.

Your link shows 939 Toyota bev sales for this year to date. You said Tesla was in collapse last year and they sold 24000 for 2024, versus 26000 for 2023 in Norway. So that's 2000 a month on average. I don't remember you ever saying people in Norway were falling over themselves to buy Tesla's even though they've been buying then at twice the monthly rate?

You have a habit of cherry picking figures. Your previous BZ4X taking over the market prediction didn't work out so well:

https://www.speakev.com/threads/toyota-bz4x-second-best-selling-ev-in-norway.176320/

Norway sales figures for 2023 and 2024 have been consistent with Tesla blitzing everyone.and VW following in second.

Electric Vehicle registrations in Europe: 15 countries, majority of BEV market

Arstechnica suggest that there was a batch shipment of BZ4Xs this year so we'll see.

It's possible there will be a boost at the moment though because the Model Y is pre refresh and Elon has really excelled himself recently. I don't see any reason why Toyota will overtake VW though, they've not done so for the last few years.

 

[M4rm1t3]

Yet Norwegians are trampling over each other to get a BZ4X, and it's not like they can't get Ioniq 5's if they wanted to.
They must know something that you guys don't, since the BZ4X is outselling 2:1 all KIA and Hyundai models combined and there's many many. Explain that.

It must be the battery made by CATL that the people love. 😁

 

[Veyddon]

Yet Norwegians are trampling over each other to get a BZ4X, and it's not like they can't get Ioniq 5's if they wanted to.
They must know something that you guys don't, since the BZ4X is outselling 2:1 all KIA and Hyundai models combined and there's many many. Explain that.

In 2024 Hyundai Kia out sold (just) Toyota. Looking at data for a single month is hardly representative.

 

[Cptn_penguin]

Wait until that ICCU failure hits, you will look forward to a Toyota BZ4X...

I'll take ICCU potential issues over the wheels literally falling off because Toyota didn't think having tightened wheel nuts on a car was important to check.

 

[UniqueGeorge]

I'll take ICCU potential issues over the wheels literally falling off because Toyota didn't think having tightened wheel nuts on a car was important to check.

Seriously…I mean I remember the wheels falling off debacle, and we all had a lot of fun with it, but having a part fail with a lead time of months vs a walk round the car with a wheel wrench?

 

[Cptn_penguin]

Seriously…I mean I remember the wheels falling off debacle, and we all had a lot of fun with it, but having a part fail with a lead time of months vs a walk round the car with a wheel wrench?

Well one of those things is out of the control of the manufacturer and involves a complex piece of electronics that carries high currents, requiring deep supply chains for parts and difficult fault-finding to determine what is going wrong.

The other is a very, very, very basic step when putting the wheels onto a car that the manufacturer should be getting right the first time before the car leaves the factory. If Toyota can't get attaching the wheels to the car right then I certainly don't trust that the rest of the car is any better put together.

Based on the experiences of pretty much everyone that has reviewed it, I think it's clear it's a heap of mediocre parts moving in close formation with very little attention paid to quality or user experience.

 

[Brian G]

Strangely I had a Toyota RAV 4 built in 1997 which went for scrap last year. It was very mediocre, the interior was rough but it went and went and went. The engine oil was as clean as a whistle but the electronics started to fail. And because it was mediocre we didn't care when the grandchildren climbed aboard carrying the sand off the beach. I paid £3,000 for it in 2006 and got £500 for it as scrap.

 

[First Draft]

I preferred the EV6 to the Mach-e, but sadly it was a bit too small in the boot for the dog, long but shallow. Ariya was worst because even with the seat all the way down my head kept hitting the roof. BZ4X wasn't much better, but at least I could turn my head without hitting the sunblind.

Blimey, how big are you and the dog, it sounds like Andre the Giant taking the Hound of the Baskervilles for a walk.

 

[DuRam]

Blimey, how big are you and the dog, it sounds like Andre the Giant taking the Hound of the Baskervilles for a walk.

I don’t know how big his dogs are, but I‘ve previously ruled out the sunroof version of the Ariya because of poor headroom too.

 

[AJ_DCFC]

We're looking for a 'good' value EV SUV and find it difficult to navigate the reviews of cars. The balance to be struck is between cost and quality and it is different for everyone. Why should I care if I can fit a big dog in the boot, I don't have a big dog!?

So I wonder what the BZ4X is really like. I try and see opinions on here and threads just degenerate. What does it matter so much to posters that don't have a Toyota?

So the current Bz4x (or whatever it's called, I don't mind) seems reasonable value used. So I'm considering it. I'm not bothered by rubber switches or that the wheels fell off way back when. What is it like to drive and use? I've looked at the Omoda EV and for me that is the epitome of cost over quality but lots will buy it.

Edit: we've had 'unpopular' cars and really liked them because they fit our needs, and because they were not seemingly fitting their 'mass market appeal design' they were really good value.

Would anyone care to give me a balanced breakdown of the car? How annoying is it to have no back wiper? See I could live with that if the cost was right. We couldn't live with the Omoda whatever the cost as the drive and the quality wasn't right even at the cost of it.

 

[Jeremy Harris]

How annoying is it to have no back wiper? See I could live with that if the cost was right.

I can give my view on not having a rear wiper. I'd not had a car without one for as long as I could remember before I bought the I Pace. I didn't even give a thought as to how useful or otherwise a rear wiper is, it was just something that was always there on cars, I thought.

As soon as I started driving the I Pace the lack of a rear wiper was a nuisance. I had to remember to hand wipe the rear screen before setting off whenever it had been raining. I had to adapt to relying on the wing mirrors as very often it was impossible to see out of the rear screen (not helped by the rear camera always getting murky in rain). One of the most immediately noticeable benefits of switching from the I Pace to the Mercedes is getting back a rear wiper. I wouldn't entertain owning a car without a rear wiper now, TBH, it has gone up to being one of the "must haves" for me.

 

[AJ_DCFC]

I can give my view on not having a rear wiper. I'd not had a car without one for as long as I could remember before I bought the I Pace. I didn't even give a thought as to how useful or otherwise a rear wiper is, it was just something that was always there on cars, I thought.

As soon as I started driving the I Pace the lack of a rear wiper was a nuisance. I had to remember to hand wipe the rear screen before setting off whenever it had been raining. I had to adapt to relying on the wing mirrors as very often it was impossible to see out of the rear screen (not helped by the rear camera always getting murky in rain). One of the most immediately noticeable benefits of switching from the I Pace to the Mercedes is getting back a rear wiper. I wouldn't entertain owning a car without a rear wiper now, TBH, it has gone up to being one of the "must haves" for me.

Thanks @Jeremy Harris Yes, I do wonder what Toyota were thinking or Jaguar come to that. There's so much tech on modern cars that I wonder if anyone actually 'self drives' them! But not being able to see out the rear window... I suppose the driver was meant to rely on onboard cameras?
Maybe we couldn't live with it afterall.

 

[Philip Medlock]

Edit: we've had 'unpopular' cars and really liked them because they fit our needs, and because they were not seemingly fitting their 'mass market appeal design' they were really good value.

Would anyone care to give me a balanced breakdown of the car? How annoying is it to have no back wiper? See I could live with that if the cost was right. We couldn't live with the Omoda whatever the cost as the drive and the quality wasn't right even at the cost of it.

If you regularly do trips where you need to charge on route it wouldn't be the best, and you'll need to get geeky, or pre-plan stuff with apps on your phone, because of a lack of software support for EV routing, battery heating, etc in the infotainment system. The battery charging speed isn't great either.

If longer journeys are rare and you're fine with them being a bit fiddly then I'm sure it'll be fine.

 

[AJ_DCFC]

If you regularly do trips where you need to charge on route it wouldn't be the best, and you'll need to get geeky, or pre-plan stuff with apps on your phone, because of a lack of software support for EV routing, battery heating, etc in the infotainment system. The battery charging speed isn't great either.

If longer journeys are rare and you're fine with them being a bit fiddly then I'm sure it'll be fine.

Thanks, longer journeys are rare. Just to the airport for hols mainly.

 

[Brian G]

We're looking for a 'good' value EV SUV and find it difficult to navigate the reviews of cars. The balance to be struck is between cost and quality and it is different for everyone. Why should I care if I can fit a big dog in the boot, I don't have a big dog!?

So I wonder what the BZ4X is really like. I try and see opinions on here and threads just degenerate. What does it matter so much to posters that don't have a Toyota?

So the current Bz4x (or whatever it's called, I don't mind) seems reasonable value used. So I'm considering it. I'm not bothered by rubber switches or that the wheels fell off way back when. What is it like to drive and use? I've looked at the Omoda EV and for me that is the epitome of cost over quality but lots will buy it.

Edit: we've had 'unpopular' cars and really liked them because they fit our needs, and because they were not seemingly fitting their 'mass market appeal design' they were really good value.

Would anyone care to give me a balanced breakdown of the car? How annoying is it to have no back wiper? See I could live with that if the cost was right. We couldn't live with the Omoda whatever the cost as the drive and the quality wasn't right even at the cost of it.

I feel your pain... I have bought my cars on budget alone over the years, though I did buy a Passat Estate with the winter pack and leather upholstery back in 2003 and it was more than I had paid in the past in celebration of the mortgage being paid off, and I kept it for 12 years. Other cars have been for work purposes and I have tried to live within the mileage allowances paid to me. Astra diesels fitted that bill over 15 years and carried me over 250,000 miles. My present car is the MG ZS EV with the LFP battery. The interior is good enough, it is a mode of transport not the lounge for listening to hi fi or watching films... and it sits on the drive for maybe 4-5 months of the year when I am out of the country. It works, it does what the makers say it will. A range of 180-220 miles which is as far as I want to go without stopping. I have the time to look into where I might want to stop before I make a journey so finding a spot to charge is part of my day out it isn't a chore. I also have the geography of a homing pigeon, so satnav is a waste of time for me. I am also none too bothered to put a lot of effort into looking at cars, does it go. is it reliable, is it cheap to service? Every time you visit a car dealer he/she is after your money. I don't want to play that game.

 

[AJ_DCFC]

I also have the geography of a homing pigeon, so satnav is a waste of time for me. I am also none too bothered to put a lot of effort into looking at cars, does it go. is it reliable, is it cheap to service?

No satnav would be no good, but the other bits I agree with. I remember when our first car with 'electric' was bought, wow those windows, what fun! It was a used car but we thought we'd treat it to a dealer service when due - we were amazed when we picked it up and it had been washed and hoovered!!!

 

[FrankS57]

What's your budget, what's reasonably priced.

I picked up a BMW ix1 30 x-line, 10 months old last Sept for a smidge over 30K from Motorway. Has a rear wash wipe and washes the rear camera too. It's quite room, probably wouldn't win a top trumps battle on range, charging speed etc. But it drives very nice.

 

[AJ_DCFC]

What's your budget, what's reasonably priced.

I picked up a BMW ix1 30 x-line, 10 months old last Sept for a smidge over 30K from Motorway. Has a rear wash wipe and washes the rear camera too. It's quite room, probably wouldn't win a top trumps battle on range, charging speed etc. But it drives very nice.

I think that would be do-able, I guess overall it would come down to how good a bargain it seemed the car was. Its as much about monthly cost too. I'll look at the reviews.

 

[M4rm1t3]

. I also have the geography of a homing pigeon, so satnav is a waste of time for me.

They're not as good as you think

When a racer can't find its way home

With a high percentage of pigeon losses in race and training events, and irregular returning times after races, Thomas Smit discusses the possible reasons why pigeons battle to find their

www.farmersweekly.co.za

😁
Most are man made reasons though for the losses.