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Octopus go vs eon next drive, eon the best ev tariff now?

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#1 · (Edited)
For those who can't get octopus intelligent, eons next drive tariff seems much better than go

EON
Peaktime
(07:00 - 00:00) 33.61p per kWh
Off-peak
(00:00 - 07:00) 9.5p per kWh
Daily standing charge:43.66p

Go
Night rate (00:30 - 04:30):9.5p / kWh
Day rate (04:30 - 00:30): 31.03p / kWh
Standing charge: 42.01p / day


Eon has very slightly higher daily rate, but has a whopping 7 hours of cheap rate vs 4 of octopus go.


Another point worth mentioning is that eon you fix the tariff for 1 year. While octopus go is variable now, which means if something bad happens, they can just jump Your rate out of nowhere. Eon has no exit fees too, so if octopus goes substantially cheaper, you can always change back.

Opinions?
 
#7 ·
My company has addressing issues too, usually because the address isn't properly registered with the post office, who's data we use to determine what broadband is available. This happens most often when a house is divided into flats, and also with new builds. Quite how one or two are missed and the others not, I can't explain. https://www.royalmail.com/personal/receiving-mail/update-your-address
 
#8 ·
For those who can't get octopus intelligent, eons next drive tariff seems much better than go

EON
Peaktime
(07:00 - 00:00) 33.61p per kWh
Off-peak
(00:00 - 07:00) 9.5p per kWh
Daily standing charge:43.66p

Go
Night rate (00:30 - 04:30):9.5p / kWh
Day rate (04:30 - 00:30): 31.03p / kWh
Standing charge: 42.01p / day


Eon has very slightly higher daily rate, but has a whopping 7 hours of cheap rate vs 4 of octopus go.

Another point worth mentioning is that eon you fix the tariff for 1 year. While octopus go is variable now, which means if something bad happens, they can just jump Your rate out of nowhere. Eon has no exit fees too, so if octopus goes substantially cheaper, you can always change back.

Opinions?
For those who export energy it appears that with this Eon tariff you can get 16.5p/kWh for export whilst for Octopus Go it appears the amount is 4.1p/kWh [you can't get the 15p/kWh export rate from Octopus if you are on an EV import tariff!]
 
#10 ·
Wouldn’t mind a bit of advice on my present tariff from anyone with a little more know how than myself (struggle to work it all out🫣).

Unfortunately I got sucked in whilst watching a Martin Lewis program and went for a two year fixed deal with EDF last July. As it’s fixed it has a £150 early exit fee so I haven’t really looked at other tariffs, but recently I had a smart meter fitted and it got me thinking about EV overnight tariffs (hence the post here). Although, my monthly mileage is only around 400miles, but we also have the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble dryer.

Anyway, I have a 4kW solar PV system (no battery) and there’s only me and the wife living in a 3 bed semi. Presently we are paying 40.91p kWh and 48.91p a day electric, with gas costing 12.858p per kWh and 27.22p daily charge. Our fixed tariff runs until July next year and we are paying £196 a month. So looking at above would anyone suggest paying the early exit fee and switching?

Any advice gratefully received thanks.
 
#17 ·
Wouldn’t mind a bit of advice on my present tariff from anyone with a little more know how than myself (struggle to work it all out🫣).

Unfortunately I got sucked in whilst watching a Martin Lewis program and went for a two year fixed deal with EDF last July. As it’s fixed it has a £150 early exit fee so I haven’t really looked at other tariffs, but recently I had a smart meter fitted and it got me thinking about EV overnight tariffs (hence the post here). Although, my monthly mileage is only around 400miles, but we also have the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble dryer.

Anyway, I have a 4kW solar PV system (no battery) and there’s only me and the wife living in a 3 bed semi. Presently we are paying 40.91p kWh and 48.91p a day electric, with gas costing 12.858p per kWh and 27.22p daily charge. Our fixed tariff runs until July next year and we are paying £196 a month. So looking at above would anyone suggest paying the early exit fee and switching?

Any advice gratefully received thanks.
Get off it NOW and pay the £150
If you join Octopus and use someones referral, you get £50 back straight away
Gas will save 5p a kwh over winter, even on the standard tariff never mind tracker.
Electric will save 10p a kwh without trying
 
#15 ·
Yes, Intelligent gives 23.30h to 05.30h at 7.5p/kWh and sometimes extends the cheap hours if it choses to charge your car at other times, when it does this you still only pay 7.5p for those six hours and any extended hours. I have gas but did not use it at all last winter as it was cheaper to use electric heaters on timers than to use gas.
 
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#16 ·
Yes, Intelligent gives 23.30h to 05.30h at 7.5p/kWh and sometimes extends the cheap hours if it choses to charge your car at other times, when it does this you still only pay 7.5p for those six hours and any extended hours. I have gas but did not use it at all last winter as it was cheaper to use electric heaters on times than to use gas.
sounds good but I have a non tethered EO charger and, for convenience, tend to currently only plug my car in overnight, once every 10 days…… but I accept 7.5p beats 9.5p/kwh
 
#26 ·
Does anyone do something like a dual-rate tariff where the overnight cost is guaranteed to be let's say 1/4 of the daytime one? And this ratio is guaranteed to be held for let's say 10 years minimum? If so, this might be an affordable way for flat & 3-bed-semi sized houses to replace ancient gas booilers with electric storage boilers.

This Dry Core Storage Boiler's been mentioned here before, and the 40 kWh boiler they offer is in effect a way of time-shifting your use of electricity to provide heat.
tepeo | ZEB® – Zero Emission Boiler

I have a problem with replacing my old boiler with heat pump system, it comes down to my dislike of over-complex systems with too many moving parts & tricky maintenance etc, plus extra space used up, difficulty of installing as my boiler's right in the middle of the house, problems, mess & cost up-scaling radiators/pipes etc.

I really want to be able to simply remove old boiler, put new (green) one in its place in a like-for-like way. No can do with ASHP or other HP tech.

Standard electric boilers are just a glorified electric shower, so hugely expensive at daytime rates. Electricity costs me appx 4x Gas on a kWh basis, no special tariff in place. I can't see a conventional electric boiler being a viable choice.

If I fit an HP with COP of say 4, I could get my CH done electrically for same cost as Gas, but that complexity & hassle puts me right off.

But if I had one of these storage boilers it's a straight swap, ok may need a new high-current feed from the CU, but that's trivial compared to new Ch pipes/rads etc. Sure it's less efficient than the HP approach, but if we're looking at a future with plenty of wind power at very low cost that's looking for somewhere to go at night-time, these storage boilers would be an excellent way to store that energy as heat over a 1-2 day time period.

GEC used to do a Nightstor boiler, and they had a much larger one, about 6' high, would do my 4-bed house just fine, but no longer made. I don't think Tepeo do one this size (yet).
http://www.hes.co.uk/nightstor-c-250.html

The larger the capacity storage you have, the more days you can optimise your boiler-core-heating over. Bound to be some limits based on how may hours cheap-rate you get. Could use a 3-phase variant maybe?

Very few moving parts in these! Also heavy, maybe flats might need load-bearing checks before installing.
But these really do look a sensible option to me, IF the running costs of the electricity can be guaranteed to be kept comparable to Gas cost.
 
#27 ·
Does anyone do something like a dual-rate tariff where the overnight cost is guaranteed to be let's say 1/4 of the daytime one? And this ratio is guaranteed to be held for let's say 10 years minimum? If so, this might be an affordable way for flat & 3-bed-semi sized houses to replace ancient gas booilers with electric storage boilers.

This Dry Core Storage Boiler's been mentioned here before, and the 40 kWh boiler they offer is in effect a way of time-shifting your use of electricity to provide heat.
tepeo | ZEB® – Zero Emission Boiler

I have a problem with replacing my old boiler with heat pump system, it comes down to my dislike of over-complex systems with too many moving parts & tricky maintenance etc, plus extra space used up, difficulty of installing as my boiler's right in the middle of the house, problems, mess & cost up-scaling radiators/pipes etc.

I really want to be able to simply remove old boiler, put new (green) one in its place in a like-for-like way. No can do with ASHP or other HP tech.

Standard electric boilers are just a glorified electric shower, so hugely expensive at daytime rates. Electricity costs me appx 4x Gas on a kWh basis, no special tariff in place. I can't see a conventional electric boiler being a viable choice.

If I fit an HP with COP of say 4, I could get my CH done electrically for same cost as Gas, but that complexity & hassle puts me right off.

But if I had one of these storage boilers it's a straight swap, ok may need a new high-current feed from the CU, but that's trivial compared to new Ch pipes/rads etc. Sure it's less efficient than the HP approach, but if we're looking at a future with plenty of wind power at very low cost that's looking for somewhere to go at night-time, these storage boilers would be an excellent way to store that energy as heat over a 1-2 day time period.

GEC used to do a Nightstor boiler, and they had a much larger one, about 6' high, would do my 4-bed house just fine, but no longer made. I don't think Tepeo do one this size (yet).
http://www.hes.co.uk/nightstor-c-250.html

The larger the capacity storage you have, the more days you can optimise your boiler-core-heating over. Bound to be some limits based on how may hours cheap-rate you get. Could use a 3-phase variant maybe?

Very few moving parts in these! Also heavy, maybe flats might need load-bearing checks before installing.
But these really do look a sensible option to me, IF the running costs of the electricity can be guaranteed to be kept comparable to Gas cost.
My personal view is that ideally we need to move from the “Combi” mentality and move back to separation of space-heating and Domestic hot water
Too many households ( now retro-insulated) , have 6kWh heat loss with 30kWh Combis.

In any case, even going down the electric boiler “straight-swap”, I would increase radiator capacities to drop flow temp and go DHW Cylinder
 
#28 ·
This E.On Next Drive tariff looks interesting. We’re on Octopus Go, fix rate ending October is 7.5p off-peak for 4 hours and 40p peak. I’ve looked at our last 12 months consumption and despite doing all EV charging in those 4 hours and also shifting most tumble drier, washing machine and Dishwasher usage off peak, our usage is still approx 50/50 peak vs off peak. Perhaps because I work from home on a permanent basis? So I am on the look out for a cheaper peak rate. This E.On tariff looks fairly similar to the current Octopus Go and might be worth going for as the 7 hours off peak can only be a good thing.

I would add though that I’m quite happy with Octopus as an energy provider, service levels seem good, not sure if E.On is a good move or not.
 
#29 · (Edited)
We’re on Octopus Go, fix rate ending October is 7.5p off-peak for 4 hours and 40p peak. ... our usage is still approx 50/50 peak vs off peak.

I would add though that I’m quite happy with Octopus as an energy provider,
Can you just ask Octopus to put you onto the current Go tariff, which seems better that your current fix. I don't think there's an exit fee. (You might take a hit on the standing charge, which seems to keep going up.)

Tracker might also be worth considering - I'm also roughly 50/50 split on Go, and have been wondering about going onto Tracker instead, which might be slightly cheaper overall. (I wouldn't benefit from a longer night-time rate - 4 hours is plenty at the moment.)
 
#34 ·
Interesting as my Go finishes next month

For me in the South West, Eon is 58p per day and 32.83p and 9.5p

Go is 56p per day and 30.25p and 9.5p (4hours)

Intelligent is 56p per day and 30.25p and 7.5p (6 hours)

I will stick with Octopus
 
#35 ·
I am going to cut the flux experiment short I think and go on intelligent octopus this month. July was terrible for solar and August looks like more of the same. I gave it a go I dont like flux it requires management and thought and really you are not making anything on the export even peak summer.

I bought a load of IR heater panels last winter and found them to be very effective.

How long does it take to switch to intelligent?
 
#39 ·
If you don't do many miles or have high day time usage an EV tarrif may cost you more. My dad has found this since retirement. I also get free charging so off peak isn't really useful when I'm trying to sleep. I switched to agile and I'm saving about £80 a month. Only thing I do is limit my load 4pm to 7pm when it's peak. I got paid to charge my car this weekend as Sunday electricity was negative for most of the day. Maybe something to consider. Tomorrow a nice windy day average price is 14p for the whole day with overnight tonight and early tomorrow showing at at 1.3p and 1.8p. If you can be picky when you charge you can beat octopus go and eon most weeks. For example most weekends have a cheap period in summer
 
#40 ·
The Octopus Compare app uses your actual smart meter data to show what it would have cost on various Octopus tarrifs, so you can see for yourself if it's worthwhile. For my usage, charging the van and battery overnight, and the battery from solar, barely using any peak rate, the longest cheapest cheap rate is best, regardless of how expensive peak rate is. Intelligent would save me about £10 per month over Go, but I don't have a compatible vehicle or EVSE. Standard variable would cost about £100 per month more! But as you say, it won't suit everyone. That's why there are so many tarrifs, and apps to work out which is best.
 
#45 ·
dont get all the "you need a 6kW heatpump". people dont realise that a "6kW heatpump" runs at.... 1500~Watts. about half of what your kettle uses.
Heatpumps cost of running are about the "same as gas", but if you heat up water on the cheap go/next drive offpeak rate, essentially you're heating at around 2p/kWh of heat. Not to mention getting rid of gas standing charge all together.
 
#46 · (Edited)
After switching from Octopus Go Night rate 9.30pm-2.30am at 8.25p tariff to EON-next Drive 12am-7am at 9.5p I seem to be making a £3.95 a day saving where my EV charging is concerned.
Below is my typical Monday-Friday charging habits.
As said in a few posts above Eon drive is more appealing to those with a higher usage.
The 1st image is the new eon tariff.
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#52 ·
When I say "on a separate meter" I mean completely separate, it's a stand alone installation with its own address. So the house isn't contending with it. Heat loss is an issue, partially addressed by impending secondary glazing, thick walls helping with insulation.

Why would storing electricity at TOU be worse than an electric boiler on demand? We are retired so day time heating essential.
 
#55 ·
When I say "on a separate meter" I mean completely separate, it's a stand alone installation with its own address. So the house isn't contending with it. Heat loss is an issue, partially addressed by impending secondary glazing, thick walls helping with insulation.

Why would storing electricity at TOU be worse than an electric boiler on demand? We are retired so day time heating essential.
So your IO ( has to be linked to a car) will be a separate to the heating for the house,yes?
 
#54 ·
Looks like no exit fees on eon next drive.

So in september when my go faster expires I think I will probably move across.

I was hoping zappi would be intelligent compatible by now and I would move on to that, but it seems to have gone quiet so suspect its probably going to be at least January before that happens.

If it does happen I should just be able to move back to Octopus intelligent.

I will keep my gas with octopus as on trqcker currently and saving a lot.
 
#58 ·
Yesterday, I had a nice email from some chap called Greg@Octopus Energy welcoming me as a former Bulb customer to Octopus and acknowledging it was a forced switch and hoping I would stay. From the tone of the letter I can but assume there are now better deals to be had than that from Octopus. Sooner we get back to competition between suppliers the better.
 
#59 ·
I just tried to get a quote from the eon site and it oddly says I cant as I have prepayment meters which isnt true. I have also switched suppliers before without issue.

I spoke to eon got passed around multiple times but nobody seemed to have any idea why that would happen or how to resolve it.

Any ideas?
 
#63 ·
My guess/idea of the cause of the problem ….

Many suppliers struggle to provide an online quote and switch if your current supplier is settling your account (to the industry system operator) on a half hourly actual consumption basis. Your current supplier should be able to re-register your meter with the industry system database as ‘standard’ and profile settled (not half hourly). This should then allow online quotes and switching.