[L-EON]

Someone set up a EV specialist insurance company, you can have my Business, I will let you have my idea for free.

Quicker..................

 

[davidr1963]

Well if some of the big ticket items have been sorted it might be worth taking the risk all we can say for sure is any car from any manufacturer can be a lemon. Maybe ask what price they will sell it to you for at least you are buying a known quantity and then you can make a bit more of a risk assessment on that risk re buying an unknown secondhand EQC. I think the secondhand values of the EQE will fall when the GLC comes along and they will represent good value for the luxury they offer. I will say mine is wearing very well the paint finish and interior is such I suspect it will stay looking good for while yet despite my reservations on American build quality.

Does the EQE feel much better than the EQC as a fully purpose built EV etc?

I didn't realise Merc had an American factory, assumed they all came from Germany. I would have thought they would still be built/QA'd to the same German tolerances etc?

I was at my local Merc dealership last week and noticed that the EQE is actually a slightly disguised GLC. There was a GLC, EQE and GLE parked side by side and the similarities between the EQE and GLC were obvious, as were the differences between the EQE and GLE.

The GLC was £52k, the EQE £88k.

We love our GLC220 and a reasonably priced electric version would be ideal for us but if I bought an EQE, I’d feel conned every time I looked at it.

 

[Blanik]

You're describing a problem with running not-new German luxo 4x4s, not an EV problem. If Toyota made an EV Landcruiser, you'd probably be fine. Dull, but reliable.

They don't, so you have a dilemma. Although Tesla have a decent reliability record?

My EV experience (aging Leaf) has been trouble free. ICE ML and X5? Not so much...

Mt etron 50 has just got to 3 years - bought the extended warranty. First time I've ever done that, but wouldn't run an expensive car without this.
No issues to date! Now I've jinxed it.

edit - audi 'plus' warrenty is about £300 a year with a £250 excess, so I think an acceptable premium.

 

[FrankS57]

I'm assuming I won't make it to 30/35 as will get electrocuted by the EV before then (that's what some FUD said in the pub so it must be true)

Kind of hoping more companies will emerge that can repair EV motors and Batts if you encounter issues, like you can with ICE engines, instead off the default you need a new one at xxxxx price.

If you have someone drive into your beloved EV at the moment and there is structural damage, from what I'm seeing online (maybe this is all FUD sites etc) the default action is to write the vehicle off. The cars are built around the batts, there's not enough places or people qualified to touch them so its bye bye time.

Something needs to change so buying an older higher mileage used EV is not such a gamble if the motor/batt needs fixing.

I'm not sure what the data/numbers are, but there must be a substantial amount of people that do not have the means to buy/lease/PCP a new/nearly new EV/or ICE for that matter, so they need/use older higher mileage vehicles. What are these people going to do when they have a batt/motor issue that out of the 8yr/100k warrenty?

While true at the moment there are more independents dealing in EV repairs, Inc batteries and motors. Part of the problem at the moment is there's not enough work. Even Cleevlys near me say they still have to do lots of ICE work as there's not enough EV work. But industry will adapt, in the early days of electronic fuel injection many said it was the end of independent garages as only main dealers would be able to work on them.

 

[Coedy]

I'm currently back in an ICE and I hate it.

Having to go to a specific place to fill the car....blergh...and it takes around ~15mins all in:
Lets say I drive out of the supermarket, 1 minute to drive over to the pumps,
wait for the car in front of me to clear their pump - 5mins if they dont do any shopping in there,
I drive up to the pump and use it - 5mins,
wait my turn at the kiosk - 3mins,
leave the garage get in the car and turn the car on before leaving - 1minute,
and we will ignore the up to 5mins spent queuing to leave the petrol station via the only exit onto the busy shopping center roundabout) to keep things fair, but mark my words I'm stuck there...

It's even longer if you forget you are going out the next day and are on fumes and need to go out specifically to fill up as that adds 10mins at the front and 10mins at the end.
"I can add 400miles in 4mins in my diesel" my arse...

In my EV I get out of the car after parking at home & grab the cable - lets imagine it takes me 1 full minute...(purposely being mean to myself, opening the door, getting out, stepping 5ft to the charger and grabbing the cable takes less than that)
I plug it in- lets imagine it takes me 1 full minute... (opening the charge port and moving my hand towards it.. also not a full minute)
I then go inside - lets imagine it takes me 1 minute... (which I would have to do upon returning in my ICE but I'll include it...still doesnt take a minute to walk to the door from the drive)

Thats 5x faster than a derv.

"But you can't do 400 miles!" they scream.
No, quite right. but If I want to add 250miles it will take me 3 mins, if they want to add 25miles, 250 miles or 400miles it will take them the full ~15mins.

I like the smell of Petrol and Diesel, but having to lug myself there is a pain.

 

[Electric Jamie]

Haven't read through the comments but it seems like EVs are more reliable (less maintenance, service, and breaking down) than ICE, so the response to one bad EV should be to remember that. If you have a bad experience with EV, change brand, do a little research on the reliability of the brand and model you are considering, and stick with EV.

 

[stonekeeper]

I'm currently back in an ICE and I hate it.

Having to go to a specific place to fill the car....blergh...and it takes around ~15mins all in:
Lets say I drive out of the supermarket, 1 minute to drive over to the pumps,
wait for the car in front of me to clear their pump - 5mins if they dont do any shopping in there,
I drive up to the pump and use it - 5mins,
wait my turn at the kiosk - 3mins,
leave the garage get in the car and turn the car on before leaving - 1minute,
and we will ignore the up to 5mins spent queuing to leave the petrol station via the only exit onto the busy shopping center roundabout) to keep things fair, but mark my words I'm stuck there...

It's even longer if you forget you are going out the next day and are on fumes and need to go out specifically to fill up as that adds 10mins at the front and 10mins at the end.
"I can add 400miles in 4mins in my diesel" my arse...

In my EV I get out of the car after parking at home & grab the cable - lets imagine it takes me 1 full minute...(purposely being mean to myself, opening the door, getting out, stepping 5ft to the charger and grabbing the cable takes less than that)
I plug it in- lets imagine it takes me 1 full minute... (opening the charge port and moving my hand towards it.. also not a full minute)
I then go inside - lets imagine it takes me 1 minute... (which I would have to do upon returning in my ICE but I'll include it...still doesnt take a minute to walk to the door from the drive)

Thats 5x faster than a derv.

"But you can't do 400 miles!" they scream.
No, quite right. but If I want to add 250miles it will take me 3 mins, if they want to add 25miles, 250 miles or 400miles it will take them the full ~15mins.

I like the smell of Petrol and Diesel, but having to lug myself there is a pain.

But the counter to all that would be. You come back from a trip with the car at 5% or less because you wanted to minimise your costs charging it back up, then as you pull on the drive a relative 50 miles away phones and needs you urgently, you need two hours to turn around?

 

[Coedy]

But the counter to all that would be. You come back from a trip with the car at 5% or less because you wanted to minimise your costs charging it back up, then as you pull on the drive a relative 50 miles away phones and needs you urgently, you need two hours to turn around?

It wouldn't be two hours? You forget EVs have flexibility of filling up in 3 minutes worth of effort overnight or having a top up at rapid sites (like ICE vehicles).
You'd need 100-120miles to get there to the relative and back. I have 3 separate rapid charger sites within 4 miles so I'd just nurse it there at 5% (and this is Wales where people bang rocks together, if you were in a more built up area there would be more).
20mins charge at 100kw (given starting from a low % 100kw should be manageable with the mainstream EVs like ID3 & MG4) should give around ~130miles range.
We've already said 15mins is around the norm for a diesel/petrol top up if we are comparing apples to apples and the derv needs a top up too.
If we are comparing apples to oranges on the other hand and saying the EV was full but the diesel was empty you'd almost be there in the EV by the time the Derv has arrived at a petrol station and finished topping up (lets hope its not a weekend and the pumps are busy). It all depends when the relative calls in this hypothetical I guess.

Agreed no car suits everyone. And odd edge cases will catch anyone out. I was merely bringing my personal experience of charging and comparing it to my personal experience of filling up then stipulating which one I prefer.

 

[HughF]

I find it odd that people say filling their ice is inconvenient, granted I live in rural Dorset but I can’t remember the last time I had to queue for a pump or to pay. It really is in/out in under 5 mins.

 

[DickieBoy]

I find it odd that people say filling their ice is inconvenient, granted I live in rural Dorset but I can’t remember the last time I had to queue for a pump or to pay. It really is in/out in under 5 mins.

It would take me about half an hour to fill up. Nearest pump is about 10 mins away.

 

[davidr1963]

I find it odd that people say filling their ice is inconvenient, granted I live in rural Dorset but I can’t remember the last time I had to queue for a pump or to pay. It really is in/out in under 5 mins.

Most of the time, filling an ICE is,as you say, quite a speedy process, particularly with “Pay at the Pump”

Just occasionally though, there can be long queues and quite a wsit.

I think he was just pointing out that filling with petrol/diesel isn’t always as quick as some people make out.

To be fair though, using rapid chargers can be equally time consuming occasionally.

 

[stonekeeper]

It all depends when the relative calls in this hypothetical I guess.

It was well defined in the scenario I gave.

 

[Parkwood]

Filling at the pump at the local grande surface could be relatively quick but probably 10 mins by the time the card was read and approved and the fuel put in but get your timing wrong and it was an annoying wait with me invariable choosing the wrong pump qudue and then on the motorways could be the same …not the simple always just a 5min stop as alleged By many.

 

[Parkwood]

I was at my local Merc dealership last week and noticed that the EQE is actually a slightly disguised GLC. There was a GLC, EQE and GLE parked side by side and the similarities between the EQE and GLC were obvious, as were the differences between the EQE and GLE.

The GLC was £52k, the EQE £88k.

We love our GLC220 and a reasonably priced electric version would be ideal for us but if I bought an EQE, I’d feel conned every time I looked at it.

The EQE is not the same as a GLC as it is on a completely different platform but yes it’s exterior is not that much bigger which was why we were willing to go to it from the EQC which was on the GLC platform.
The GLE is way too big for me and they are surprisingly behind the all the other current models interior wise too.
Really recommend you try the GLC electric when it comes out and sure you will prefer it to the ICE version (Assuming it is even better than the EQC and EQE).
Do not feel conned having had an EQC and moving from an e class estate before that a c class and before that the forerunner to the GLC the GLK never sold in the UK. It really does take the luxury level a step higher. Do I wish it was cheaper of course but it really does deliver on all I want from a car.

 

[Parkwood]

Does the EQE feel much better than the EQC as a fully purpose built EV etc?

I didn't realise Merc had an American factory, assumed they all came from Germany. I would have thought they would still be built/QA'd to the same German tolerances etc?

Sorry for delay been out.
Yes all the big SUV are built exclusively in Touscaloosa Alabama (the GLE, GLS and Maybach versions and the EQE and EQS SUV)as the states are one of the Main markets. The GLC is built in Bremen which is why I may drop down the food chain (it being a c class not an e class) but as with the EQC becoming the EQE so it seems this time we will again only have 1 choice until these class electric estate arrives.I do think Mercedes have built it to meet EQE SUV owners needs and I would really really hesitate on a GLE I have always thought them too big like an S class over an E class.
Yes they should be built to the same tolerances but as Tesla proved Chinese built were preferred to American, I think it might just come down to some of the component suppliers themselves not having such good QC (there was an issue several years back with the artico seat coverings normally really strong and durable but a local supplier had a bad batch which started delaminating for example)…I might just be prejudiced but I was concerned when ordering and sadly have had some shoddy silly problems……
I do think a lot of the journalist talk about ICE adaptation platforms to BEV and only BEV design is a bit overstated and journalistic puff for the sake of it. The only difference I can really say one notices is the lack of a tunnel and the new GLC EQ which is designed as a BEV still has a slight one it seems (the EQE is flat floored).
Yes the EQE moved the EQC on, better range and charging not dramatically but enough to be noticeable and now we would not want any different ie it matches our needs so improvements in that regard are irrelevant to us. 22kw AC was a big improvement and the rear steering now a must it just makes what is a big car so easy to manoeuvre in tight spaces and gives it good handling for a car of it’s type. It is fun to drive on twisty roads. The EQC was much better than the GLK which put us off an SUV enough we preferred the 2015 c class estate over the GLC of the time. The other big improvement for us was all round air suspension not just rear and most importantly bias to rear wheel drive as opposed to the front wheel drive in the EQC (which interestingly The new GLC EQ also has).
The EQE just feels the better more luxurious powerful car (but has the same spec more or less) and it is definitely more spacious and comfortable for rear seat passengers and has a bigger boot though not by much. But having said all that the EQC when we had one was a good car and whilst it was all Mercedes offered to our requirements at the time it was an excellent first BEV from which they have launched and refined their offering.
Am really interested to test drive a CLA but that is not the car for us and am hoping the GLC EQ will move things on yet again until there is a nice e class estate all electric!

 

[GavJ]

A lot of this seems to be based around the horse. How many miles do you actually get out of it for money spent really, and how many miles for it's greenhouse gas emissions?

It's not like an old ICE car that you only bring out on Sunday is putting out any emissions 350 days a year. A horse then you essentially leave idling most of the year outputting emissions 24h hours a day when not in use.

Maybe it's time while the horse has some worth to move on before you only get scrap value from the glue factory.
Those saving could then potentially be invested into a more suitable vehicle.

Serious not serious.

 

[davidr1963]

I was at my local Merc dealership last week and noticed that the EQE is actually a slightly disguised GLC. There was a GLC, EQE and GLE parked side by side and the similarities between the EQE and GLC were obvious, as were the differences between the EQE and GLE.

The GLC was £52k, the EQE £88k.

We love our GLC220 and a reasonably priced electric version would be ideal for us but if I bought an EQE, I’d feel conned every time I looked at it.

The EQE is not the same as a GLC as it is on a completely different platform but yes it’s exterior is not that much bigger which was why we were willing to go to it from the EQC which was on the GLC platform.
The GLE is way too big for me and they are surprisingly behind the all the other current models interior wise too.
Really recommend you try the GLC electric when it comes out and sure you will prefer it to the ICE version (Assuming it is even better than the EQC and EQE).
Do not feel conned having had an EQC and moving from an e class estate before that a c class and before that the forerunner to the GLC the GLK never sold in the UK. It really does take the luxury level a step higher. Do I wish it was cheaper of course but it really does deliver on all I want from a car.

Whilst it may be on a different platform, it’s nowhere near a GLE. The body and interior are almost identical to the GLC.

The GLC size is, to me, the best SUV in the Mercedes range but to sell it as an E class SUV rather than a C class SUV is just misleading in my view.

I will certainly be looking closely at the new electric GLC even though my wife would like a GLE sized SUV (EQS) and I’d prefer the CLA shooting brake.

Guess who’ll win out?

 

[Peirpoint]

(Stupid boy)

Gaz

 

[Parkwood]

Whilst it may be on a different platform, it’s nowhere near a GLE. The body and interior are almost identical to the GLC.

The GLC size is, to me, the best SUV in the Mercedes range but to sell it as an E class SUV rather than a C class SUV is just misleading in my view.

I will certainly be looking closely at the new electric GLC even though my wife would like a GLE sized SUV (EQS) and I’d prefer the CLA shooting brake.

Guess who’ll win out?

Well as someone who has had both……no the EQC (built on the GLC platform) was not the same as an EQE😉and why buy a GLE for the UK as here in France it is oversized. Sorry but you really are wrong re the passenger seating in the EQC re the EQE they are very different The EQE offers a much different and more comfortable space. I can say there is a difference between the c class and the e class but the EQE is definitely e class ( I have had e class before as well as c class) my worry is is the new GLC up to the EQE standard….I think it might be but I shall buy on the basis I can revert to an e class estate asap when they become available. However a GLE Electric if it follows the GLC electric design (ie bigger) is off my list like an S class…just simply too big in every dimension for my environment when in general the e class saloon and estate can be accommodated just about!.
The EQS is of course bigger than the EQE …..but just not necessary for us otherwise the two are very similar and even I get confused identifying between them!

 

[davidr1963]

If you re read my posts, you’ll see tgst I am NOT comparing the EQE with the EQC, so am comparing the EQE with the GLC and they are almost identical both inside and out.

That said, when we first bought our GLC, we were told tgst it was built on the E class platform so maybe calling it the GLC was wrong really in retrospect.