What absolute cretins. By watching the video you will never get the impression they describe.
Snax
What absolute cretins. By watching the video you will never get the impression they describe.
I saw it earlier today.
Such a shame that making up negative BEV stories sells makeshift bog roll!
I have a good mate who's always lecturing me about how electric cars aren't fit for purpose. He's a very smart bloke, but believes all the 5hite stories about them - especially YT content by Spotty Kilner (name slightly altered but mentioned in TeslaBjorn's article above).
As I've stated previously - a slow EV uptake can be a good thing for us lot, keeping used prices low!
Such a shame that making up negative BEV stories sells makeshift bog roll!
I have a good mate who's always lecturing me about how electric cars aren't fit for purpose. He's a very smart bloke, but believes all the 5hite stories about them - especially YT content by Spotty Kilner (name slightly altered but mentioned in TeslaBjorn's article above).
As I've stated previously - a slow EV uptake can be a good thing for us lot, keeping used prices low!
If you share this FUD, they'll be paid for the clicks, and it will continue. At this point, it would only be news if the Sun published something that was verifiable true.
I watched Bjorn's video. But the video is one of his "unscripted" ramble. There isn't enough focus on systematically debunking each FUD statements. Doesn't feel factual enough to share to anti-EV, unless the topic is specifically about that article.
The Stop Burning Stuff seminar video they did recently is also rather underwhelming. It touched all the FUD basis, but it feels like they are preaching to the converted with audience laughs as though not taking the myths seriously. It doesn't make good impression if the viewer is anti-EV to begin with.
What need to happen is for a panel of experts debunk in front of anti-EV crowd, present evidence in a serious and factual manner.
The Stop Burning Stuff seminar video they did recently is also rather underwhelming. It touched all the FUD basis, but it feels like they are preaching to the converted with audience laughs as though not taking the myths seriously. It doesn't make good impression if the viewer is anti-EV to begin with.
What need to happen is for a panel of experts debunk in front of anti-EV crowd, present evidence in a serious and factual manner.
The continued intensity of this is starting to make me think the fossil fuel industry or someone else is funding it. It seems harder to believe that this is done purely to help their readers resistance to change and to help them free themselves from pollution and climate change guilt.
I'm also finding it hard to believe it is due to the writer's resistance to change can account for all of this. Even their own readers must be getting bored of it by now.
It seems likely that an order has gone out to tell people to write negative EV stories.
Some of the people writing these negative EV stories are just doing it because their boss has asked them to do it, and they just want to keep their job so they can have money. Maybe there needs to be a place to go for anonymous whistleblowers.
Some of the reaction is "we should flood this writer with positive anti EV stories" or "they must be a cretin" might be missing some of this.
I'm also finding it hard to believe it is due to the writer's resistance to change can account for all of this. Even their own readers must be getting bored of it by now.
It seems likely that an order has gone out to tell people to write negative EV stories.
Some of the people writing these negative EV stories are just doing it because their boss has asked them to do it, and they just want to keep their job so they can have money. Maybe there needs to be a place to go for anonymous whistleblowers.
Some of the reaction is "we should flood this writer with positive anti EV stories" or "they must be a cretin" might be missing some of this.
More inaccurate reporting from the Sun.
www.thesun.co.uk
While the market share slipped the actual BEV sales were still up 18.9% year on year. However PHEV sales were up over 50% which is why the market share slipped.
Electric car sales plummet as relieved drivers opt for petrol and diesel motors
ELECTRIC car sales have plummeted as relived drivers opt for petrol and diesel vehicles. The drop in motorists purchasing EVs comes as Rishi Sunak put the brakes on banning all other car types. The…
www.thesun.co.uk
I don't know if it's Autocar or The Sun that got this wrong (my bet is on the latter). What they should actually have said is that the BEV market share fell to 16.6% (from 16.9%). Or in other words the market slipped by about 2%.
While the market share slipped the actual BEV sales were still up 18.9% year on year. However PHEV sales were up over 50% which is why the market share slipped.
Ok now I'm perplexed. Check out this thread:
www.speakev.com
The Sun article was posted after this thread was started.
I checked and luckily my post about the Atto video was at least posted after the article publish date, as I'd hate if they had used that link (which was posted in good will to share EV knowledge to new potential buyers with range anxiety) to promote their own suspicious agendas instead.
Either way some similar TB videos were posted before the publish of that article (26-sep) so could it be they deliberately seek related stuff on forums, then make up some crap story out of their head??
Interesting and a bit worrying at the same time...
Ever actually run out of battery?
Journey home last week. I knew it was tight. 85 miles to do and predicted only 2 miles range remaining. That usually improves as I head along the 50 limit in the motorway roadworks. So not too stressed. but the motorway was closed, so that added a few miles. Slowed down to compensate.Then it...
www.speakev.com
The Sun article was posted after this thread was started.
I checked and luckily my post about the Atto video was at least posted after the article publish date, as I'd hate if they had used that link (which was posted in good will to share EV knowledge to new potential buyers with range anxiety) to promote their own suspicious agendas instead.
Either way some similar TB videos were posted before the publish of that article (26-sep) so could it be they deliberately seek related stuff on forums, then make up some crap story out of their head??
Interesting and a bit worrying at the same time...
i was going to comment on it 'just get a tesla'. 
Ionity need a slap. They should all be contactless.
Ionity need a slap. They should all be contactless.
Yeah looked the TB video and he went through some of the stuff on there, seems they just pick this stuff on random and TB videos have been posted earlier too so just concidence we had similar thread on this forum.
There was even a claim he had bought one of the cars, even though they are press cars, so just random poking without even bothering to check the facts.
They just know people who seek assurance for their negative views are good bait for getting more clicks.
And it's not just EV's, these types of magazines / sites twist any topic so that you first read the headline, only to find out the actual article is about something else if you bother to think with your brain even one second.
Don't remind me as I already regret clicking some of Macmasters videos.
How convenient owning a Porsche EV and then making videos about how "terrible" it is.
I mean if it's so bad then how he's still having the thing on his drive.
It's all just the same recipe he keeps on repeating to get more views. Probably some free EV miles as well.
Here’s my point Jeffrey,.
I know its out there and I know that the wider public need to know its rubbish
I know in my heart thatYou know it too
However
I would say most on here ( if not 100% on here) also know its there and that its shite
Re posting on Speak EV does not educate those who need to know.
Re posting ON HERE does not inform those on here/ in this pre-educated forum
The only thing it does is feed the Fudster.
I know its out there and I know that the wider public need to know its rubbish
I know in my heart thatYou know it too
However
I would say most on here ( if not 100% on here) also know its there and that its shite
Re posting on Speak EV does not educate those who need to know.
Re posting ON HERE does not inform those on here/ in this pre-educated forum
The only thing it does is feed the Fudster.
don't bother answering anyone, I know it's just venting - but it's so stupid. Why do the vast majority of humans seem to want to kill themselves off ?
edit: @Cheshirecat surely just copying a link, and posting it here in itself doesn't help their bank balance, but surely we as a community could then comment on the video and as I say rip it to shreds. Yes it would make them money on that vid, and yes it would skew the algorithm for us, but at least for "others" clicking on it, who would have done anyway, reading a load of truth comments would perhaps stop them watching any more ?
if we can't even do that, or if it doesn't work, and if "Stop Burning Stuff" doesn't pull their finger out, I can see EVs actually failing here in the UK.
edit: @Cheshirecat surely just copying a link, and posting it here in itself doesn't help their bank balance, but surely we as a community could then comment on the video and as I say rip it to shreds. Yes it would make them money on that vid, and yes it would skew the algorithm for us, but at least for "others" clicking on it, who would have done anyway, reading a load of truth comments would perhaps stop them watching any more ?
if we can't even do that, or if it doesn't work, and if "Stop Burning Stuff" doesn't pull their finger out, I can see EVs actually failing here in the UK.
@Jeffrey Cooper: the issue with that is that the owner of the channel can just delete any comments they don't like, after having received any views/clicks generated from their clip being posted elsewhere.
1: Open video on Youtube
2: Downvote the video to remove your "watch click"
3: Click on 3 dots to right of up/down vote buttons
4: Choose "Report"
5:
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2: Downvote the video to remove your "watch click"
3: Click on 3 dots to right of up/down vote buttons
4: Choose "Report"
5:
It's today's attention economics, whichever gets the greatest views get pushed to front of the algorithm and the creator is incentivised to make more of the same. Balanced reporting is out, sensational clickbait rambling is in.
There's also that GeoffBuysCars channel that was a small channel buying used cars. From video views, it seems he has found a good following by reporting on any and all fires that might be related to EV.
Re Matt the car dealer. I watched it last night and made a comment. I think it's been removed, I can't find it. In my comment, I simply pointed out home charging cheapness and he need to get Electroverse app + card for easier public charging. Oh, and get a Tesla (membership or car) for cheap ultra-rapid charging.
There's also that GeoffBuysCars channel that was a small channel buying used cars. From video views, it seems he has found a good following by reporting on any and all fires that might be related to EV.
Re Matt the car dealer. I watched it last night and made a comment. I think it's been removed, I can't find it. In my comment, I simply pointed out home charging cheapness and he need to get Electroverse app + card for easier public charging. Oh, and get a Tesla (membership or car) for cheap ultra-rapid charging.
I don't think the Sun or others are necessarily funded by 'big oil'. A lot of this is their online side which is just the same click chasing nonsense as most other websites these days. They throw a lot of crap at the wall, see traction on article A, so push more in the vein of that article. I doubt they care about the subject matter.
Just try and let it wither and die on the vine as more people get EVs they'll be demystified naturally as they're just cars at the end of the day. Even those that might not be interested will be swayed by salary sacrifice or their company only offering EVs as company cars due to BIK etc. And they'll find them 'fine' and that'll spread to others.
Just try and let it wither and die on the vine as more people get EVs they'll be demystified naturally as they're just cars at the end of the day. Even those that might not be interested will be swayed by salary sacrifice or their company only offering EVs as company cars due to BIK etc. And they'll find them 'fine' and that'll spread to others.
Actually, downvoting will just make it less likely to show up in suggestions to people within your demographic (other EV owners). They still get the view.
Heck a downvote used to class as an 'engagement' that helps you in the algorithm back in the day. Though I imagine that's changed nowadays as they change how it all works seemingly daily.
Reporting is a solid shout, though unlikely to be removed or have advisors placed within the video as doesn't misinform about climate change, conspiracy theories or covid which seems to be the three in particular that youtube flag.
Heck a downvote used to class as an 'engagement' that helps you in the algorithm back in the day. Though I imagine that's changed nowadays as they change how it all works seemingly daily.
Reporting is a solid shout, though unlikely to be removed or have advisors placed within the video as doesn't misinform about climate change, conspiracy theories or covid which seems to be the three in particular that youtube flag.
I'm not sure we can afford to do that though. As I said above, their short term gain is irrelevent, but the long-term harm they are doing isn't. There still aren't enough converted to guarantee success !
TBH, I think stuff like this really need to be taught in school now:
This video (and its accompany mini series) explains the reason why such divisive contents are so popular.
The 1min or so part where the video is set to start is the important bit. Whole video for context.
This video explains why we, as viewer, now need to verify the sources and think critically about information we are fed on social media. Video starts at conclusion, what we need to do, only ~2min to watch:
This video (and its accompany mini series) explains the reason why such divisive contents are so popular.
The 1min or so part where the video is set to start is the important bit. Whole video for context.
This video explains why we, as viewer, now need to verify the sources and think critically about information we are fed on social media. Video starts at conclusion, what we need to do, only ~2min to watch:
Im confident that the “EV change” will happen anyway, in-spite of the FUD, in-spite of Rishi.
There are a combination of factors pushing the change.
In 5 years the scene will be unrecognisable compared to today, just as today is unrecognisable compared to 10 years ago
There are a combination of factors pushing the change.
In 5 years the scene will be unrecognisable compared to today, just as today is unrecognisable compared to 10 years ago
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