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Turning off DAW on Kona EV

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#1 ·
Hi all, I can turn off the DAW systems such as collision warning or lane safety but when I restart the car later they have come back on. Can they be turned off permanently?
 
#2 ·
Why would you want to disable them permanently?

These systems are part of the high safety rating of the car. Disabling them is lowering your personal safety, including your family and finally, but most importantly you are impacting all other traffic members.
 
#3 ·
Why would you want to disable them permanently?
Depends what you want to actually disable. IMHO the lane safety thing is just annoying whilst generally serving little purpose - though it is otherwise harmless, especially if one turns off its attempts to tweak the steering!.

The collision detection system, though, (which is also an integral part of the adaptive cruise control) is potentially quite dangerous. The warnings are not a problem, but its ham-fisted control of the braking system can be positively dangerous, and I keep that feature permanently as disabled as possible. The problem is that the system is not sufficiently intelligent to properly assess what can be complex situations, and it has a tendency to apply inappropriately sharp braking where it is not justified, which itself has the potential to cause accidents through the car's unpredictable (to others) behaviour. Worse, the logic is far to slow at responding to situations, meaning that if braking actually is necessary then it is too late and the human driver should already have responded to the situation, or - perhaps more dangerously - it can respond violently to what the human driver can see , is only a transient hazard (and ignores), even after the hazard has already cleared itself. Typical examples of the collision detect and avoidance systems responding inappropriately are:-
  • a vehicle in front has pulled into a slip-lane and is decelerating for a left turn, but the collision avoidance systems respond with an alarm and sudden braking because the system doesn't realise the turning vehicle is no longer in your lane.
  • a vehicle is crossing the road ahead of you. The system has a tendency to respond to this with an alarm and sudden braking, whilst the human driver can see that there is no danger of actual collision.
  • you are driving on a motorway, and leaving the approved gap between yourself and the car in front (1 car-length for every 10mph of speed). A vehicle moves right into your lane ahead of you, halving the gap. The human driver would simply adjust his speed by lifting off the accelerator and drop back to re-create the proper gap, though for a short while the gap will, strictly speaking, be too small. The collision detect avoidance system, however, responds with panic braking, because it is programmed to maintain the gap at all costs. (Actually, it's a little more subtle than that, because it takes into account the relative speeds of your car and the car in front, but it nonetheless will resort to extreme measures to restore what it considers to be the appropriate gap, regardless of any consideration for the vehicles following behind)
  • also, the converse of these overreactions is that the collision systems are unable to detect a developing hazard ahead, and I will frequently find myself disengaging cruise control and lengthening the gap between myself and the car in front because I can see that traffic ahead is slowing, but the automated systems cannot react until the car immediately ahead reacts - and then only if that car is within the system's rather limited forward range of view! In smooth-flowing traffic the adaptive cruise control is OK (though I find its constant speed adjustments make for a slightly jerky and uncomfortable ride - the drive is much smoother when I disengage it and drive manually), but it exaggerates any unevenness in the flow by decelerating too late and too hard (and by accelerating too hard), and by not increasing the gap to act was a buffer against forming a wave in the flow.
These are all interesting technologies, and I have no doubt they will improve over time, but IMHO they are still pretty primitive, and still not quite good enough. I find myself conflicted, because a system for preventing collisions by automatically braking in the face of a hazard seems, on the surface, obviously a Good Thing, and something I would want to embrace. However, my experience of it in action on the Kona is that in its present state of development at Hyundai it causes more hazards than it solves.
 
#5 ·
Indeed. But I keep them, as I said, "as disabled as possible", meaning that I keep any optional parts of them turned off., which reduces their impact to the minimum possible. If I could completely disable the collision warning and avoidance stuff, then I would - it regularly sounds alarms and jams on the brakes, but itt has never in my own experience done so in any situation where it's input was remotely helpful or in any sense an enhancement of my own or anyone else's safety.

On reflection, I would exclude from the above the cross-traffic detection and warning system, which can be helpful in carparks ...
 
#14 ·
I have been trying to find out how to disable these features permanently as well. For me it is unsafe w/ all the beeping and incredibly dangerous when the car brakes when it sees another car too close. It doesn't take into account there are other variables in that situation. I've already taken it back to the dealership and no one knows what to do. They tell me to do the same things I've done that only work until you shut the car off. They reset next time the car is turned on. Love the car but this is a deal breaker for me. All the beeping is insane
 
#18 ·
Specifically for the front radar you could put foil on the inside of the bumber in front of the sensor, though it might give some error warnings.
Specifically for the front radar you could put foil on the inside of the bumber in front of the sensor, though it might give some error warnings.
Prefer to have the protection. It was only the first time in 64,000kms.;)(y)