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Using a contactless charger and card

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#1 ·
So I rocked up to a contactless charger at Rugby services, connected the car and waved my credit card. Card refused. Tried again; same result. Kept going 'n' times, until my wife suggested using another card. Success.
Very puzzled, we went for a comfort break and a coffee. Tried to pay for the coffee with the credit card and it said to put it in the reader and input the PIN.
SO - I had fallen foul of the 'security' aspect of the card whereby, after a number of transactions (is it the number of transactions that does it or is it the total amount of money that's been spent?) the contactless feature is disabled until one puts the card into the reader and inputs the PIN.
This is very worrying; as it happens, I have more than one card but PodPoint requires me to register a card. What do I do if the same lock is on the credit card and I need to use a PodPoint charger; there's no way of inputting a PIN, is there?
Has anyone else fallen foul of this security feature?
Silverback
 
#2 ·
Different cards (banks, building societies, etc) have different settings for when they will insist on the PIN being required for contactless if the value is below the ÂŁ100 threshold. So there is a law, sod-wise, as to whether this will trip up any user.

My card tends to do this around once a month, although I've had it in the past do this twice in one month.

I've not (yet) had it for public EV charging as I don't do much of that. I've had it loads of times for things like buying the meal deal in Boots for lunch. So despite my buying that every weekday at roughly the same time for the same amount, it will still randomly ask me to use the PIN.

I passed feedback to my supplier that they could allow the customer to use their banking app, and if that is unlocked or has been in say the last 10 minutes, then the contactless card should not require the PIN. However, they said that is too complex and they won't be implementing it anytime soon.

But the short answer to your question is yes, this can and will trip up users. Many will have the option of another card, but not all. And many will not know it is the PIN requirement that is blocking the contactless from working in the first place.
It has been regulated (in England & Wales, not sure about the rest of the UK) that EV chargers must support contactless, but in creating such legislation they have not joined up all the dots so that this sort of thing doesn't trigger. Perhaps because it's on the 'too difficult' pile to get agreement from all card providers, and how do they know it's you and they're properly protecting your money?
 
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@Silverback Can I just say, that the PodPoint app will not be classed as "contactless" payment. The app should have all necessary information to process the transaction, no matter what is going on with the contactless side of things.
 
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Yes, it's quite common - as they tend to use Payter or similar terminals with no way to enter a PIN they just have to decline if the issuer has required a PIN check after x transactions. Thankfully I'm seeing more with the touchscreen to do the PIN (newer Instavolts for one) so that you can get past it.

Setting up the card in Apple Pay (or Google Pay if on Android) does away with the PIN issue. Pick the card on your phone and tap. Likewise the charging network's own app or one of the charge cards like Electroverse.
 
#7 ·
The contactless payment terminal, if it's not fitted with a secure PIN pad, should identify during the authorisation request the capabilities of the payment terminal.
e.g. there's no secure pin pad, no magstripe reader, no card slot, please don't ask the customer for any of these.
It's then up to the card issuer if the transaction is worthy. They may choose to ignore the requests for leniency from the payment terminal in the authorisation request, especially if the card hasn't had any explicit credentials used with it for a period of time, or a number of transactions, or a transaction value. There's good reason for this. By default, contactless payments are NOT authorised by the card holder, short of the card holder being in posession of the card.

If you have Google Pay/Samsung Pay/Apple Pay set up on your phone, and use that instead of a bank card, then the contactless transaction approval request is from the terminal is requested with flags to say the user has been biometrically checked (fingerprint or face recognition), or handset device pin unlocked recently. These transactions are far more likely to be approved than using a standalone contactless payment card that may have been lifted from someone's pocket.
 
#9 ·
The secret is when using any card and you have the opportunity then punch in a PIN, then when at chargers you won't get caught out. I know it's easy just to wave your car at the terminal, but do you really remember how many times you've done it. I always punch in my PIN when doing the weekly shop so I should always have enough goes to not be caught out.
 
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They do take RFID cards, but for some reason, only those issued by Paua, who only issue them to business accounts (and I guess if you lease a car with Gridserve, they'll arrange a card for you)