[Paul-H]

Now that is squeaky bum territory. Never been brave enough to take our ID3 that low. 14% may have been my minimum.

Take this with a pinch of salt but I think the cars are overly cautious on range. The GOM range often is shorter than the average efficiency would expect if you do the sums, it seems to get more conservative the lower the range. I wanted to test my theory, I got back to Bristol on three percent, knowing I had two miles real distance until home, I started using cupra mode* and playing a bit with the intention of going back to economy mode if GOM range dropped to two miles. I should add that I have experimented with low miles on this car a lot and am quite confident in the cars behaviour and there is a rapid on the route. I couldn’t get the miles to tumble even with a heavy foot and ac on artic. Wanted to see one percent and I couldn’t do it. I think it’s important to experiment when you have no where to be so you are confident in the car when it matters.

*cupra mode doesn’t do much on low power levels other than give you a spikey throttle response to egg you on a bit

 

[simcity]

Take this with a pinch of salt but I think the cars are overly cautious on range. The GOM range often is shorter than the average efficiency would expect if you do the sums, it seems to get more conservative the lower the range. I wanted to test my theory, I got back to Bristol on three percent, knowing I had two miles real distance until home, I started using cupra mode* and playing a bit with the intention of going back to economy mode if GOM range dropped to two miles. I should add that I have experimented with low miles on this car a lot and am quite confident in the cars behaviour and there is a rapid on the route. I couldn’t get the miles to tumble even with a heavy foot and ac on artic. Wanted to see one percent and I couldn’t do it. I think it’s important to experiment when you have no where to be so you are confident in the car when it matters.

*cupra mode doesn’t do much on low power levels other than give you a spikey throttle response to egg you on a bit

I agree; there is considerable bottom buffer and very conservative estimates from the BMS of what constitutes actually ‘empty’ with modern EVs.

So I see no reason not to drive them to the full extent of the capacity and to be afraid of going to 5% (and below) is unnecessarily conservative.

The important factor is not to let them hang about at very low states of charge for long periods. Drive them to 0% by all means, but get some some electrons in the pack when you’re done. Same as going 100% - use it within a day or two. Don’t let it sit there for ages and ages.

 

[sidehaas]

I agree; there is considerable bottom buffer and very conservative estimates from the BMS of what constitutes actually ‘empty’ with modern EVs.

So I see no reason not to drive them to the full extent of the capacity and to be afraid of going to 5% (and below) is unnecessarily conservative.

The important factor is not to let them hang about at very low states of charge for long periods. Drive them to 0% by all means, but get some some electrons in the pack when you’re done. Same as going 100% - use it within a day or two. Don’t let it sit there for ages and ages.

This is all true for MEB platform cars as long as you have been on a decent drive so the battery is not stone cold. Over 3 years I've seen several people on the Facebook owners group come a cropper because they left the car standing on very low charge level overnight and then went for a fairly short/low speed drive only to find themselves getting red turtle mode (maneuvering only, car about to turn off) when still on an indicated 4-5%. Bjorn Nyland also had this happen to him on a test once I think, but that was when it was -20-30C outside in Norwegian winter. It would never happen in the UK if you've been driving the car a good distance. I have driven below 5% a good few times all year round, but always after a long motorway trip.

Nevertheless I'm a little impressed you pushed it that low in your new Alpine, I guess there is only one way to know how it responds 😂
Did you see Bjorn did a zero mile test recently in the R5? I haven't watched but it might be interesting.

 

[simcity]

Nevertheless I'm a little impressed you pushed it that low in your new Alpine, I guess there is only one way to know how it responds 😂
Did you see Bjorn did a zero mile test recently in the R5? I haven't watched but it might be interesting.

Yes extreme cold is exceptional, and really not an issue in the UK for the most part.

I don’t have a flatbed on call, but I’d reckon there is easily 10 if not 15 miles remaining in that pack at 0%. It certainly didn’t turtle on me at 2%. Doubtless our good friends at something like CarWow will enlighten us in due course 😂

Will see if I can locate banana box Bjorns video.

 

[Nodge]

Take this with a pinch of salt but I think the cars are overly cautious on range. The GOM range often is shorter than the average efficiency would expect if you do the sums, it seems to get more conservative the lower the range. I wanted to test my theory, I got back to Bristol on three percent, knowing I had two miles real distance until home, I started using cupra mode* and playing a bit with the intention of going back to economy mode if GOM range dropped to two miles. I should add that I have experimented with low miles on this car a lot and am quite confident in the cars behaviour and there is a rapid on the route. I couldn’t get the miles to tumble even with a heavy foot and ac on artic. Wanted to see one percent and I couldn’t do it. I think it’s important to experiment when you have no where to be so you are confident in the car when it matters.

*cupra mode doesn’t do much on low power levels other than give you a spikey throttle response to egg you on a bit

Range is very dependent on the driver. The chap that drove ours to have some bodywork done, managed just 1.8 miles to a kWh.

 

[simcity]

Range is very dependent on the driver. The chap that drove ours to have some bodywork done, managed just 1.8 miles to a kWh.

Depends on the car, ambient temperature, speed and traffic too…

1.8m/kWh is a fairly typical cold morning short (< 7 mile) trip in the Taycan…

Getting the car (and battery) warmed up sucks up juice. Porsche want the battery roasty toasty at around 33C so you can be sure the pack will deliver all the precious ponies…even and especially when it’s polar outside 😂

…longer trip, warmer, less stop / start gets a bit better:

 

[mcgrst]

Drove back from Alnwick tonight after some mtb in the Cheviots. Stopped to give the car a drink and grab a burger. Left Alnwick with 25 miles spare on the GOM was a bit gallous and heavy on the right foot, by the time I was at Dunbar I was down to 60 on the cruise, by the bypass I was at 55 and found a truck to hypermile behind. Got home with 12 miles and 9%. Going down I got 4 miles/kwh coming back struggled for 3.2...

 

[Nodge]

Depends on the car, ambient temperature, speed and traffic too…

1.8m/kWh is a fairly typical cold morning short (< 7 mile) trip in the Taycan…

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Getting the car (and battery) warmed up sucks up juice. Porsche want the battery roasty toasty at around 33C so you can be sure the pack will deliver all the precious ponies…even and especially when it’s polar outside 😂

…longer trip, warmer, less stop / start gets a bit better:

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On a 20°C morning, there's no way the Ioniq 5 will be as low as 1.8 m/kWh if driven sensibly, I've never seen it drop below 2.2 m/kWh in winter with the heating on full.
I do know the driver did 83 MPH, as I got a notification he exceeded 80. He must have also been using full throttle under acceleration to drop the efficiency that low.
I'd have averaged 3.8 m/kWh for the same journey, so he was driving it like he stole it.
I will be reporting this to our insurance company, as it's their approved repairers carrying out the work.

 

[Parkwood]

Depends on the car, ambient temperature, speed and traffic too…

1.8m/kWh is a fairly typical cold morning short (< 7 mile) trip in the Taycan…

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Getting the car (and battery) warmed up sucks up juice. Porsche want the battery roasty toasty at around 33C so you can be sure the pack will deliver all the precious ponies…even and especially when it’s polar outside 😂

…longer trip, warmer, less stop / start gets a bit better:

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The access to trip data is very impressive wish I had that. The Mercedes app gives a total and that last journey data only in the app and the eco coach gives weekly monthly and 5 monthly data as well as total but not as detailed as the Porsche app…..

 

[sidehaas]

Depends on the car, ambient temperature, speed and traffic too…

1.8m/kWh is a fairly typical cold morning short (< 7 mile) trip in the Taycan…

View attachment 212421

Getting the car (and battery) warmed up sucks up juice. Porsche want the battery roasty toasty at around 33C so you can be sure the pack will deliver all the precious ponies…even and especially when it’s polar outside 😂

…longer trip, warmer, less stop / start gets a bit better:

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The thing that stands out the most is it took you an hour and a half to travel 8 miles! 😫

 

[EggyBread]

Drove back from Alnwick tonight after some mtb in the Cheviots. Stopped to give the car a drink and grab a burger. Left Alnwick with 25 miles spare on the GOM was a bit gallous and heavy on the right foot, by the time I was at Dunbar I was down to 60 on the cruise, by the bypass I was at 55 and found a truck to hypermile behind. Got home with 12 miles and 9%. Going down I got 4 miles/kwh coming back struggled for 3.2...

Nice! Must have drove passed my hoose, lol!

 

[simcity]

The thing that stands out the most is it took you an hour and a half to travel 8 miles! 😫

That was several short trips, that the computer bonds into one.

 

[Truthmatters]

Back on topic 😉, albeit not the weekend, drove 200 miles to Cheltenham had a lunch break but didn't charge. Plugged into Hotel charge point for 90 minutes, drove back without charging. No drama and didn't have to go out my way to wait to fuel up with petrol. Should I contact a "journalist"?

 

[L-EON]

The thing that stands out the most is it took you an hour and a half to travel 8 miles! 😫

I was thinking that, maybe he was delivering milk, we know EVs make great milk floats. The Taycan would make an excellent milk float. You probably wouldn't get any tips though from the customers on payday driving around in a Porsche.

 

[SomersetBob]

Nothing wrong with utilising the full capacity of the battery (unless you’re Dr Dahn 😂).

After getting front tyre repaired on the 290 on Monday, I changed travel plans and calculated I had enough electrons to get to the destination 50 miles away. Guess-o-meter was reading initially about 4 miles more remaining than GPS distance. Remaining left at destination was estimated 0% although it did drop to -1% along the way…so perhaps a bit squeaky

Notwithstanding I was confident that I could improve on the pessimistic GOM just driving normally and as we approached destination, the margin between GOM mileage left and miles to travel was steadily improving to around 10+ miles. GPS predicted left was now 1%. Happy days.

Got there with 2% left. Unfortunately the GOM stops predicting miles left at the 5% mark so you’re just reading red dashes. But at 1-2% there was at least 10 miles left in there, if not more.

Darn efficiency. I’ll try again 😂 good to know how deep you can go.

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Bjorn Nyland got 27km in the R5 at 0%, so quite a big buffer.

 

[simcity]

Bjorn Nyland got 27km in the R5 at 0%, so quite a big buffer.

So around 16-17 miles, which tallies with what I was seeing, although I didn’t drive it till it conked out completely 😂

 

[simcity]

I was thinking that, maybe he was delivering milk, we know EVs make great milk floats. The Taycan would make an excellent milk float. You probably wouldn't get any tips though from the customers on payday driving around in a Porsche.

It was a couple of short (linked) trips in central London, so 6 mph was probably doing well. Wasn’t delivering milk or any other white coloured class A substances either 😂

 

[mcgrst]

It was a couple of short (linked) trips in central London, so 6 mph was probably doing well. Wasn’t delivering milk or any other white coloured class A substances either 😂

Under cover in a Porsche, everyone is looking for black BMWs

 

[L-EON]

I've done nothing this week in the e-tron still at Audi, they replaced the broken charging flap but it's still not working the fun continues into week 3.

Still nothing so far it's still in Audi, three weeks and 1 day. They've now e-mailed the group tech support for ideas as there's still an internment fault and they have followed all the fault procedures. I'm thinking it maybe a software related issue.

Anyway as my lease is up in February I've just said unless it's fixed tomorrow put it back together and I'll have it back, not going another weekend without it.

I'll just use the other flap for next few months. One thing's for sure any thoughts of buying the E-tron from the lease company on Feb have been binned.

I was debating getting a 55 S Line version in February but I'm not getting an Audi again as my localish main dealer are over worked and the customers suffer.

I'll be going for a Mercedes EQC 400 I think as at least if it breaks, the local Merc dealership have much better customer service.

Sorry Audi not good, I've never experienced anything like this from BMW or Mercedes over the years.

 

[Parkwood]

Still nothing so far it's still in Audi, three weeks and 1 day. They've now e-mailed the group tech support for ideas as there's still an internment fault and they have followed all the fault procedures. I'm thinking it maybe a software related issue.

Anyway as my lease is up in February I've just said unless it's fixed tomorrow put it back together and I'll have it back, not going another weekend without it.

I'll just use the other flap for next few months. One thing's for sure any thoughts of buying the E-tron from the lease company on Feb have been binned.

I was debating getting a 55 S Line version in February but I'm not getting an Audi again as my localish main dealer are over worked and the customers suffer.

I'll be going for a Mercedes EQC 400 I think as at least if it breaks, the local Merc dealership have much better customer service.

Sorry Audi not good, I've never experienced anything like this from BMW or Mercedes over the years.

Mercedes fanboy here and ex EQC owner a car I loved but…..mine had no faults however many on the market now are quite low spec the car was effectively stripped down as it neared the end of production.
The EQE SUV is a better car if the budget could stretch albeit my Dec 21 (Sept build) struggles with OTA. Software issues usually entail an overnight st least at the garage.
french dealers are very good but waiting times for appts are longer than I appreciate and than I experienced with an ICE and here not all dealers are EQ accredited.
I love both cars and think them seriously underated but I simply advise caution not everyone’s experience has been hunky dory. I will probably stick with Mercedes but I would recommend you look around. I will look at BMW myself but my need for comfort over sporty drive probably will have me choosing merc that and the fact my leasing history is strong and I get quite good deals😉