My R240 66 plate 22 kWh.....minimum so far 87 miles at minus 3. Max close to 130 miles in August...

 

ah yeah sorry - didn't change the real world figures. I couldn't find any published

JJ

 

I think the Q90 is also Continental rather than Cleon.. Cleon motor is 92HP rather than 88HP.

 

i'm finding it hard to tell..... details are very sketchy

updated the diagram

JJ

 

Q="Quontinental" = 43 kW charger
R=Renault (build in Flins) = 22 kW charger
Motor type and charger type is intricately intertwined.

 

Ok - will do a v3 tomorrow

JJ

 

I'd suggest you put the Q210 and R240 range a good bit closer togeather. Renault claim there is a 10% improvement, but in the real world this has proven to rarely be the case. Plus you'll see Q drivers seem to be the ones who can stroke out the highest mileage when pushed to the limit.

 

possibly true (I’m hoping)

Those are the quoted figures so wanted the diagram to tie in with the literature rather than create a new data set.

I’ve found it really hard working out in my head what model is what.

I need to overly the model names I think too (e.g. intense) but I’m still not sure 100%

Help anyone?

JJ

 

updated

 

I would kindly suggest, if you want to take this further, to switch to a google spreadsheet, possibly shared for editing.

For example, I got confused by tags. The bolt symbol I interpreted as charging power, confirmed by the units (KW), but only later I realized it's battery size. But then the units should be kWh (and btw, power is kW, not KW. Yes I know, nitpicking, but still).

I also don't think that magically the Q90 has a stronger motor than the Q210.

A spreadsheet will also allow you to make additions much faster (i.e. nomenclature as attribute, but also new models). Speaking of models, the battery upgraded Q210 / R240 are different models (Q210ZE40 and R240ZE40), so in reality there are 6 base models. I know it won't look as nice................

What I am saying is, before you know it you'll be busy changing and changing and reposting etc etc. Not my call of course!!

 

arse, sorry about the KW/kWh - dumbass me.

Ta for the input but don't freally want a spreadsheet - needs to be a quick visualisation of what there is.

as a newbie to EV, all of what you have said above is total confusion to me and thats the trouble....its complex (and i'm an engineer - albeit not an electrical one)

whats wrong with Zoe 130 QC, Zoe 150, Zoe 230 QC, Zoe 250?

new owners want to know how far will it go and how quick can i charge it - and thats it really


JJ

 

Ta for the input but don't freally want a spreadsheet - needs to be a quick visualisation of what there is.

Good luck with your quest! I'm going to be impressed if you manage to display all the ZOE information in an easy-to-read cheat-sheet!

 

also - it says "the only engine you can have in the ZOE is the 88bhp" then goes on to spec the non QC one as Renault ZOE [92] Dynamique - aargh

and i'm confused by the "6 models" still

JJ

 

I think:

The launch trim models were:
“Expression” (became Expression Nav mid 2015)
“Dynamique Intens” (became Dynamique Nav mid 2015)

Then they added a top level for MY2016(?)
“Signature”

Each trim model came in a i-version (battery owned)

 

I think:

The launch trim models were:
“Expression” (became Expression Nav mid 2015)
“Dynamique Intens” (became Dynamique Nav mid 2015)

There was also the Zoe Zen with its scent diffuser at launch

 

I think it's very clear and easy to understand. Far easier than looking at a spreadsheet.

Does Dynamique Intens always mean it's the 43kwh rapid charging model?

 

Think I prefer R240 to Zoe 150........Same as 100 kmph sounds better than 62 mph..... of course Brexit......we could be buying petrol in gallons again soon.... I say we,I mean my wife and some other people..

 

It also had air purifying with ioniser etc, sadly no longer offered, AFAIK.

 

My Q90 only 2 weeks old has the purifier ioniser in it still so they are still being made

 

Is that the "Signature" model? I did have a sneaky suspicion that I'd seen it mentioned somewhere in relation to that model.

 

Yes it is the option is in the Vehicle menu under the take care sub menu

 

Also, what is the difference between "clean" and "relax"? All sounds very "airy-fairy" to me!

 

Don’t know put it on clean when I got car and left it there if I want to relax I will have a large scotch. ;-). Not while driving of course

 

If anything, I would propose to at least stick to the formal nomenclature: Q210, R240, Q90, R90. All the "names", as far as I know are "option packages", coupled to one of the base models. And I am pretty sure they are not universally used internationally, FWIW. ZOE 22 and ZOE 40, ZOE 130 QC are all made up new names. It's fine, but don't expect anyone to pinpoint what it is. Anyway

The 2 additional models I mentioned are original Q210 and R240 which have their batteries upgraded to a 40 kWh one. In my opinion that makes them Q90 and R90 base models, but Renault insists there are other optimizations done on the '90 models that improve range. There is no official nomenclature for them, but as the battery pack is called ZE40, a somewhat logical proposition would be Q210ZE40 and R240ZE40. It is how we refer to them in the Dutch forum

Having said all that, the graphical representation is really nice. The spreadsheet suggestion was to get it right and complete. If your goal is to just state range and charging time *), you might want to get rid of all the extra stuff and indeed leave it with that. All IMHO; this thread will go on for a while!

*) good luck with that. Chargepoint power, State of health, temperature, state of charge all influence this massively. Every answer is "wrong". If you insist, go for 43 kW power charger @ 20 degrees, time to go from 0% - 80%. At least that is consistent with the tool on the Renault website.

 

At least that is consistent with the tool on the Renault website.

But personally I think the Renault Site has been deliberately "Fudged" to draw people to the R Variant with Renault's own power plant rather than the Q Variant with the Continental Powerplant

The 7kw Charging Times on the Renault site show 7hr 25Min for the R90 from Empty to 100% and 8hr 25Min for the Q90

Although my lowest home charges have been from 5% and 7% The charging times for those were 6hr 37min and 6hr 29min respectively.

As for range so far I am finding my Q90 does a little better than the R90 I borrowed for a 3 day test.

I think Renault are doing there best to draw customers to the in house unit as it generates more $$$$$$

 

I think it is way too dangerous to take a sample of one. You might have a point about the $$$$, but ZOE is so energy efficient (any BEV in this context) that small differences in wind, rain, temperature have significant and unexpected impact. Be careful cherry picking dataset x while dismissing dataset y from Renault's material. With that I am also not implying they are always right, see my i.e. instruction manual comment in the "Help wanted thread" today!

 

all good info guys and thanks

it really is a minefield when buying

given the deals out there at the moment i really am fancying a Q90 as it seems very doable

its the depreciation which is the killer

JJ

 

all good info guys and thanks

it really is a minefield when buying

given the deals out there at the moment i really am fancying a Q90 as it seems very doable

its the depreciation which is the killer

JJ

Used values should harden as more people want an EV but can’t afford new. It’s a huge market starting to wake up to the economies of EVs and I think in 3 years time a used Zoe 40kw will still be an attractive proposition

No crystal ball and can never guarantee anything but when you consider what you will save over 3 or 4 years in fuel the depreciation is less of a factor

I bought a 2016 i3 Bev from a bmw dealership for £18k in Jan17. Put 5k miles on it and sold it in July 17 for exactly the same price I bought it for

I have my 2016 i3 Rex up for sale at moment in 14 months put 41k miles on it and will be looking at about 2k to 3k less than I bought it for (it’s saved me £5k in fuel and servicing) if I had bought a petrol or diesel 3 series nearly new and put 41k on it I would be looking at way more in depreciation plus the fuel costs so personally don’t think it’s an issue going forward

Edit: forgot to add I am now starting to see second hand leafs on the backstreet car dealers around where I live (and it’s a die hard old mining area where they have just got rid of the whippets flat caps and reliant robins). There is change in the wind of the second hand market

 

Thanks for pinning this

I hope newbies to the site looking to understand the ZOEs available will find it useful

JJ

 

Thanks for pinning this

I hope newbies to the site looking to understand the ZOEs available will find it useful

JJ

Just to point out you have your charging times for the Q90 wrong as the Renault info shows it charges slower than the R90 if this is true or just Renault trying to push the R90 is unknown but if you are going on the official times then you have the Q90 and R90 the wrong way around


On a home charger the Q is supposed to be an hour slower charging to full than the R

 

It is how we refer to them in the Dutch forum

Still a bit moot on this side of 'la Manche', will still can't get the swap.

 

Kicking up a two week old topic, but how does one distinguish between the R90 and the Q90? Can you see it on the outside? Or does the dashboard or the onboard computer show this?

 

There is nothing you can see on the outside, it is only visible under the bonnet. Big black plastic pipe: R model. Big two-compartmented metal box with orange plug on the left side: Q model. There are pictures in the forum, but I can't find them quickly, can't miss though.