I live in sunny Essex with a 40 and what you have detailed the 40 will be fine. Any trips over 120 will need a charge on route.

I did Luton airport and back this morning which is 122 miles at 65/70 and got home with 5 % on the Gom.

You will notice a difference from the diesel as they can do 500 miles in a day. But they are normally rare.

If.you rarely go over 120 miles you will be fine with a 40

 

That is exactly what I wanted to hear and needed to know! Thank you! I very rarely do more than 120 and, in all probability, if I do, it will be with the kids in tow, so we'd take the 7 seater.

Thank you for such a quick reply!

 

40kwh Leaf will easily do that all year round.

 

Thank you. This is really reassuring!

 

I have test driven a 62kwh Leaf e+ Tekna and loved it. However, they are coming in a little more expensive than I am comfortable with.

James

Just curious what sort of price your seeing these at? I should be selling an 62kWh e+ in the near future at around £26k which will be under 1 year old. Though as others have said 92 miles should be ok in a 40kWh as long as you keep your speed down on the motorway. The Leaf is quite thirsty at higher speeds, but generally an efficient car with a great heat-pump heating system.

 

I test drove the 62kwh e+ Tekna at the weekend at main dealer Nissan. They wanted £589 a month on PCP, with 1 month down payment, and that was an ex-demo with 4.5k miles on the clock. They offered me a new one if I wait until October for £500 a month. So the figures were madness. That said, through CarWow, the cheapest I can get the 62kwh Tekna down to is £450 a month, or thereabouts, whereas the 40kwh Tekna is looking more like £330 per month.

My PCP payments will always be high because I average 20,000 miles p/a. As for total price, I've never really paid as much attention to this, on the basis that I wouldn't intend on paying the balloon payment at the end.

 

There is a Nissan 0% APR for a 3 year PCP deal on the e+ at the moment. We just paid £28K for a e+ N-Connecta which, with the no-cost finance, worked out cheaper than most 40 kWh car offers... so i'm surprised you are seeing such difference in pricing between the 40 and 62.

 

Don't hang about.

My dealer wants my 18month old N-Tec E+ back in September in exchange for a new 71 reg E+ Tekna for £300 depoist and about £30/month more than I'm paying.

I'm only 6m into a 3year PCP and he did say they'd not normally contact a customer so soon but are desperate for used stock as prices are shooting up every week.

 

Don't hang about.

My dealer wants my 18month old N-Tec E+ back in September in exchange for a new 71 reg E+ Tekna for £300 depoist and about £30/month more than I'm paying.

I'm only 6m into a 3year PCP and he did say they'd not normally contact a customer so soon but are desperate for used stock as prices are shooting up every week.

Desperate dealer trying to shift new metal, well known con contacting ex customers to ‘offer them a deal’.

 

I wouldn't consider the 40 - I'd say as a universal response, go for the 62.

 

The performance of the 62 is fantastic. I just did a quick check on the 30-50 and 40-60 times - both were under 3seconds which makes overtaking a doddle.

 

Curve ball: Neither.

Go for a Hyundai Ioniq 38 kWh. You will get 180 in the Summer and 160 in the Winter, even at 70mph on the motorway. It is the most efficient EV, so will be perfect with your profile and there may be some good lease deals even at 20K miles. I don't see leasing as a problem as you say you are not considering buying out the balloon payment.

Check out the depths of winter thread Ioniq 38kwh max range in the depths of winter

 

Curve ball: Neither.

Go for a Hyundai Ioniq 38 kWh. You will get 180 in the Summer and 160 in the Winter, even at 70mph on the motorway. It is the most efficient EV, so will be perfect with your profile and there may be some good lease deals even at 20K miles. I don't see leasing as a problem as you say you are not considering buying out the balloon payment.

Check out the depths of winter thread Ioniq 38kwh max range in the depths of winter

I was going to say this but chickened out.

As good as the Leaf maybe, I don't think I'd be buying a car with Chademo in 2021. Despite what everyone says about its reliability.

Ioniq 38kwh and now the ID3 are just so much more competitive as cars as well.

 

Loads of deals on E+ Leafs flying about currently they are feeling the sales pinch.

 

New, a 62kWh isn't much more than a 40kWh now. If you ever feel like you might want the extra range, go large.

Used, however, is a different matter. Lots of 40kWh models around the £15-17k mark in seemingly decent condition.

 

I city drive my 40 Leaf 80 - 90 miles daily all year round.

I drove it 72 miles to Chester and back a couple of weeks ago (all be it in fine warm weather at 55-60 mph) and I could have done the round trip on a single charge.

It would have been a little close to the wire though

 

There's a number saying go for the 62. You post was can a 40 manage your typical mileages, which the answer is yes.
I Have a 40, very frequent commutes of primarily Motorway & A roads of 105 miles.
I've had to drive more sensibly to the speed limit or possibly even 65 on occasions.
In winter or harsh weather, head winds etc. especially when needing to do over 110 in the often needs a very quick 5-10 minute rapid to prevent going below 10%.
For myself, the additional cost of a 62 just wasn't manageable or justifiable, so cost may be a factor for you.
Distance, ie over 160mile round trips, I may consider using the ICE, especially if charging isn't practical.
(updated) The 40 and E+ both have the same payload Kg capacity ,
The 40kWh can be more economical as its simply that little bit lighter.
Overall very happy with the 40 but there have been times I desired the 62 just to save the hinderance of charging.
Hope this helps.

 

The 40 has a slightly higher load carrying capacity...

Overall, your post is fair & well balanced. I'm not sure what you mean by this bit though. AFAIK the boot size and roof load capacity are the same. What does change the boot size is the Bose speaker system, which steals 15 litres for the subwoofer. Both 40kWh and 62kWh Leafs (Leaves?) are available in Tekna trim, which has the Bose system, and less expensive trims, like the N-Connecta, which do not.

Kind regards
- Garry

 

I think he meant payload (kg). But actually, the payloads are all identical (450kg) as the e+ is plated to a higher gross vehicle weight (and has revised springs).

 

Hi Yes exactly, when I purchased mine, I'm sure the 40 had a slightly increased payload over the 62, good to see they are both rated the same now.
I'll correct my post.
Thank you for the update

 

Hello,

I am new to the forum and new to EVs. I have had a look and couldn't quite see a conclusive answer to my question, so I hope this post isn't too frustrating for those of you who are regulars.

I currently drive a VW Tiguan 2.0TDI and commute 3 days a week across Kent. My journey is a 94 mile round trip. I have test driven a 62kwh Leaf e+ Tekna and loved it. However, they are coming in a little more expensive than I am comfortable with. So, I am looking at the 40kwh Tekna, which I am getting very competitive offers from leasing.

My big question is, will the 40kwh Leaf confidently cover the distances I am doing each week? To give an idea, they are:

Monday - 94 miles round trip
Tuesday - 94 miles round trip
Wednesday - 22 miles round trip
Thursday - 94 miles round trip
Friday - 22 miles round trip
Weekend - mainly use the wife's car

I will be getting a charging point installed at home, and I'm trying to convince work to have them installed (with little luck so far). My biggest concern is range, particularly in winter. We don't get especially cold or harsh winters down here in South East England, but I really don't want to risk being caught short. Plus, given I'm looking at the Tekna, which has heated seats, steering wheel, nice Bose system etc., I don't really want to not be able to use these when it is cold, for fear of not getting home.

I hope I've given enough information for people to give me some advice. I really would appreciate your experience and expertise on this before making the leap.

Many thanks,

James

I am on my second leaf, I debated whether to go for the 60 but decided to stick with the 40. Purely cost.I travel to the South Coast 200mls. One stop to recharge. after 100mls. I get approximately 150mls per charge using pro pilot. So the 40 should be fine.
Obviously the 60 has a greater milage I believe 240mls. Also has auto park. I love the leaf.

 

237 is the WLTP range, 200-210 for me assume I emptied it.

The autopark is now an option and I too do not want a Bose stereo just to listen to the news, traffic announcements and sat nav voice.

The performance is however, astounding which is the main reason I went for an E+ (a lifetime of hot hatches, 260bhp coupe & saloons, meant I'd regret buying anything with less performance and my budget wouldn't stretch to any Tesla. (The top speed is irrelevant )
The 50:50 weight distribution and low C of G give very composed and decent handling though the overall weight does not endow it with great nimbleness.

 

Indifferent dealerships aren't just Nissan ones. There seems to be a general malaise with dealers not making much effort to sort out issues and not understanding what a lot of jobs actually involve. Manufacturers don't seem that keen on keeping them in line either. They all seem happy with average or ok service but expect 10/10 from the consumer for that little effort.

Leaf is well built. Only had one cabin noise on mine which isn't bad. Still haven't had anything as good as the Soul EV for build quality as nothing on that made a noise inside the cabin at all.

 

In truth, to my mind all EV's have really good build quality, except for TESLA which promotes itself as exceptional, but in reality is anything but.

All services, not just car dealerships, can now get away with lower customer standards and blame it on COVID, they make out that they are doing us a favour, just being there to take our money. LOL

 

The Ioniq is by all reports a good car, and extraordinarily efficient. Leaf does have it beat, however, in terms of range (shouldn't be surprising given the 38kWh to 62kWh difference in battery sizes -- credit to the Ioniq that the difference isn't greater) and practicality (boot size, roof loading, rear passenger headroom).

 

Considering the figures you are quoting, surely a Niro would be a better car for lower payments? I can’t see a 39kw Niro being more than £400 a month on PCP at 20k per year, and you could probably get the 64KWh version for well under £5p0 per month. Generally considered to be the best “mid-range” EV on the market at the moment.

 

So a Leaf E+ (62Kwh) Connecta, 10k miles PA, £5k deposit, 0% APR is £299/month on a 3yr PCP, £15k final payment or hand back and walk away, or trade in against another.
0% is also available on the top of the range Tekna.

ttps://tools.nissan.co.uk/finance-calculator/leaf?grade=e_plus_tekna&version=NILE00EPT5HE_A__1

 

Yes, having run the figures for my own purchase, the Koreans generally come up more expensive than the Leaf now. The e-Niro certainly used to be more competitive, but drifted up in price, whilst the Leaf went down. This is all real world prices in the UK -- you should be getting a good discount on the Leaf, but very little available on the Koreans, except the Ioniq, which is in a similar ballpark to the big battery Leaf.

In my view, the only new EV that competes with the Leaf in terms of real world value for money in the UK right now is the VW ID.3. Well, perhaps also the MGs too. I get the feeling that none of the other traditional ICE manufacturers really want to sell you an EV -- they just want to be seen to be offering them.

Kind regards
- Garry

 

Brtistol Street Motors of Darlington have been fine so far although servicing has been done by a small local independent (Nissan approved repaire but not dealer) whose service has been exemplary.

 

I've had very decent service today from Bristol Street, Darlington. I asked for a video to be sent (driveshaft clicking issue) and this was done too. I would rather the issue hadn't materialised in the first place, but Bristol Street's handling was professional and transparent.

Clicking Noise When Braking In 2019 40kwh Leaf

Been having this noise for a while, took a recording / video, uploaded to YouTube and the link is below. The car has been into the dealers a couple of times now but frustratingly the noise doesn't happen every single time, therefore the dealer techs often say they cannot hear it and therefore...

www.speakev.com

 

Thanks for all the advice everyone.

I opted for a 40kwh Tekna, purely based on price. The 62kwh were coming in far more expensive with my annual mileage of 20k.
My new car arrives on Friday!

I should add, I opted to lease mine through Leasing Options / Motorfinity. They’ve been very helpful thus far, and came in significantly cheaper than anyone or anywhere else I found, so feel quite pleased with the result.

 

Thanks for all the advice everyone.

I opted for a 40kwh Tekna, purely based on price. The 62kwh were coming in far more expensive with my annual mileage of 20k.
My new car arrives on Friday!

I am sure you'll be pleased with the choice. I've not contributed to this thread earlier, but have keenly followed the various opinions.

2 days ago I swapped my 2013 24kWh Tekna for a 6-month-old 40kWh N-Connecta. Generally, the former car's GOM anticipated range after a full charge has been 75 miles (ish) in D with no aircon on (1 bar had dropped of the indicator over 12 months ago). This was summer range.

I bought the new car from West Way Nissan Oldham (91 miles away), so needed 1 charge to drop off and collect the new car. I took it steady (55-60mph), eco mode on and Plan A for charging went without incident, arriving with 30 miles range left.

The new car was fully charged on collection and offered a GOM range of 135 miles - no problem for the return journey in one hit. This time I travelled at up to 70 mph (where the M60/61/M6 allowed!) with aircon on. During the journey the efficiency screen showed the average miles per kWh at 4.6 to 4.8 which pleased me no end. I arrived home with about 90 miles range still showing. The next morning after an overnight full charge the GOM showed 177miles!

For my needs, the 40 kWh battery is more than enough for up to 95%+ of my journies and I felt I had a good deal for a 6-month-old car with 3.5k miles on the clock - £20k asking price (new prices are about £28k?), £5k px (WBAC suggest £5100 but we know they knock off from that initial figure. Motorway's offer was initially £5050 but reduced to £4300 when the 4 alloy refurbs plus a badly touched up rear nearside bumper scuff was taken into account). So PX'ing was the simplest and best financial option - they didn't even look at my old car before I left! I guess it will be knocked out through the auctions.

I know the range will tail off in winter, but I was very pleasantly surprised by the new LEAF's efficiency and performance to date. I had got it into my head that it wouldn't be worth changing for anything less than a 62kWh battery or a VW ID3, etc...but the head ruled over the heart regarding budget on this occasion and I am pleased with the outcome.

 

20k for an almost new Leaf 40 N-Connecta. OP done good.

 

- SWMBO doesn't like spending more than we have to - she found these 2 at £19999. I think I mentioned earlier - everything else seemed to be at least £2k more for 2021 reg.

 

UPDATE:

My new Leaf 40kwh arrived on Friday, and my charging port was installed on the same day, luckily. Unluckily, I'd gone to London for the weekend, so had to wait until yesterday evening to play with my new toy! Took my first journey to work today in it... What can I say? I love it! Any thoughts about lack of range are out of the window. It is MORE than capable of doing my commute with ease.

I leased it through Nissan Finance, via LeasingOptions and can thoroughly recommend them. Great service from start to finish, excellent communication and everyone I spoke with was incredibly helpful, friendly and professional.

Now I have to learn how to use all the gadgets on the car. Wish me luck!

 

UPDATE:

My new Leaf 40kwh arrived on Friday, and my charging port was installed on the same day, luckily. Unluckily, I'd gone to London for the weekend, so had to wait until yesterday evening to play with my new toy! Took my first journey to work today in it... What can I say? I love it! Any thoughts about lack of range are out of the window. It is MORE than capable of doing my commute with ease.

I leased it through Nissan Finance, via LeasingOptions and can thoroughly recommend them. Great service from start to finish, excellent communication and everyone I spoke with was incredibly helpful, friendly and professional.

Now I have to learn how to use all the gadgets on the car. Wish me luck!

I've yet to hear of a Leaf owner who wasn't delighted and even owners of the Mk1 are in no hurry to part with their EV.

if you have any queries about the tech you know where to go come,

 

I’m just finalising a PCP deal for a Leaf. We were going for 4 years at 8,000 miles with a deposit of £5,250 On the 40 KW model. After a bit of haggling and some screenshots of CarWow prices, I finally managed to get a price of £199 per month. As an afterthought I asked the sales guy what the monthly price would be if I went for the 62KW - £215 was the reply, the final balloon payment was about 4K higher but we are going to hand it back then so that’s of no consequence. Evidently there is a 0% deal on the 62 KW at the mo, so the final deal was a no brainier - a 62 KW E+ NConnecta in blade silver, delivery in November 😀

 

I believe the 0% is only on the 40kwh models now (since 1 Aug). The 62kwh is now 2.99% with a £1000 deposit contribution. I was thinking of getting the 62kwh, but not unless I can get 0% finance. The value of my 30kwh Leaf has gone up over £1000 (WBAC) since I last looked at changing about 6 weeks ago, so a bit of a shame Nissan switched the offers between models.

 

Hi Gareth, the negotiation I did yesterday was over the phone after I sent them some screenshots of better deals than I had originally been offered - I will wait for paperwork to be emailed to me ( hopefully today) and I’ll let you know if it is 0% - if not it may still be of help if your dealer will match an offer.