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#2,001 ·
sidehaas said:
Buzz would be a really great size for us. Good size interior for a family of four and a really big boot. The big fail though appears to be the lack of ventilation in the back (either AC or opening windows.) My kids couldn't tolerate that. Apparently the lwb will solve this as well as giving more space...but it'll cost even more and probably be a bit too big on the road.
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Yeah, it's got vents under the front seats into the back but it's another of those weird design choices, it's spacious enough that you'd never really feel claustrophobic even without opening windows but still, the LWB has the smaller sliding window-in-window as the old transporters do but no reason it couldn't have been put on the SWB.
 
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#2,003 ·
vaugi said:
Ioniq 5 (125kW Premium / 58Kwh) - 24 month contract

ÂŁ1250 deposit, ÂŁ299 23 months @ 6000 miles = ÂŁ8127 over 24 months = ÂŁ338 pcm seems a decent price.


See What Car lease pages if you want to adjust milage, but seems cheaper direct - 9ppm.

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These plonkers are showing a
Contract Profile1 + 23
So they either have a massive fee, or don’t understand leasing.
 
#2,004 ·
Gary333 said:
These plonkers are showing a
Contract Profile1 + 23
So they either have a massive fee, or don’t understand leasing.
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Yes, noticed that, presume it's just a mistake as ÂŁ1250 doesn't go into any kind of 1/3/6 month division. Whole thing could be a mistake though!
 
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#2,009 ·
Cheshirecat said:
IONIQ 5 can be had for ÂŁ35000 Brand New at the moment

Now that’s more like it
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Or ÂŁ25k for used 73kwh premium spec cars with fairly modest mileage (under 30000). EV6s have also been coming down. In fact there is one up at the moment for under ÂŁ23k with only 33000 miles on the clock! That's a bargain. Unless it's stolen...
 
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BornAgainEcoWarrior said:
Ora (not) funky cat finally starting to get closer to what it might actually be worth.
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Interesting that the total cost is £9600 over 3 years, yet AT is full of 1-2 year old ones at £10 k behind list already…..surely you wouldnt buy one when you can contract hire one like this would you
 
#2,013 ·
Rossoha said:
Ń‘-berlingo is on a good offer now - 0.0% APR with ÂŁ1-2k off or cash with ÂŁ6k off
With ÂŁ1k deposit start from around ÂŁ320/m on PCP 4 years 6k miles
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Looks like the Berlingo van has grown a bit, about 6 years ago I was sat at the top of a sliproad, waiting for a gap onto a very busy roundabout, and a Y reg Berlingo came right up behind my static Scirocco and ploughed into it. I had a cracked rear bumper, their van fell to bits like a clown car. My rear dashcam did capture the guy rolling up a tab at the wheel before looking up and mouthing f***ing hell. I'm sure the insurance lot had a good laugh at that. The guy decided on the no-respond tactic rather than admit fault to his insurance company, which dragged things out a bit, so it was settled by his insurers "without prejudice" despite the dashcam confirming fault.
 
#2,014 ·
Cheshirecat said:
Interesting that the total cost is £9600 over 3 years, yet AT is full of 1-2 year old ones at £10 k behind list already…..surely you wouldnt buy one when you can contract hire one like this would you
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Yes, this is exactly what the leasing equation should all be about (if you are buying on cost/value). If you feel that depreciation will be more than a 2 or 3 year lease at 10K miles per year, then it is the way to go. This is how I have approached leasing for over 6 years now.
 
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Panda said:
Yes, this is exactly what the leasing equation should all be about (if you are buying on cost/value). If you feel that depreciation will be more than a 2 or 3 year lease at 10K miles per year, then it is the way to go. This is how I have approached leasing for over 6 years now.
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Yes. However it doesn't make sense to calculate depreciation using the list price as a starting point if new cars are available with discounts, which they mostly are at the moment.
And of course if you are buying on cost/value then you should look for a car that is a couple of years old. The price discussed here of ÂŁ10k over 3 years is still a lot of money to spend and can easily be beaten for a better car if buying used.
 
#2,016 ·
Panda said:
Yes, this is exactly what the leasing equation should all be about (if you are buying on cost/value)
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Sorry I think if you are planning to lease cars then cost/value isn't quite the approach (I'm not talking about the general "cost/value" approach e.g. buying an S class for school runs).
Leasing long-term gradually increases the "cost" aspect whereas buying has a timeframe when costs are massively decreased.
Or am I missing your point?
 
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Rossoha said:
Sorry I think if you are planning to lease cars then cost/value isn't quite the approach (I'm not talking about the general "cost/value" approach e.g. buying an S class for school runs).
Leasing long-term gradually increases the "cost" aspect whereas buying has a timeframe when costs are massively decreased.
Or am I missing your point?
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If we're comparing new lease vs new buy then you've got to consider whether lease costs would be cheaper than your losses in buying (what it costs you, inclusive of discounts vs what you sell it for). BEV residuals are very iffy at the moment, you can't even use PCP GFVs as an indicator for buying a new BEV outright currently.

Unless you're piling on the extras, agood lease deal will almost always beat a PCP with a decent level of discount, but not buying outright (usually, but with shaky BEV residuals, but a bit of an unknown).

Going down the outright purchase route of a used BEV with poor residuals that's lost a lot of value already could be a smarter buy.
 
#2,018 ·
Monkeyhanger said:
Going down the outright purchase route of a used BEV with poor residuals that's lost a lot of value already could be a smarter buy.
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Yup. There's a lot of 1 and 2 year old BEV cars with modest miles, that look like an absolute bargain. If you're a cash buyer in the secondhand BEV market there are deals to be had currently. A vast turnaround of events from a little over a year ago.
 
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Monkeyhanger said:
If we're comparing new lease vs new buy then you've got to consider whether lease costs would be cheaper than your losses in buying (what it costs you, inclusive of discounts vs what you sell it for). BEV residuals are very iffy at the moment, you can't even use PCP GFVs as an indicator for buying a new BEV outright currently.

Unless you're piling on the extras, agood lease deal will almost always beat a PCP with a decent level of discount, but not buying outright (usually, but with shaky BEV residuals, but a bit of an unknown).

Going down the outright purchase route of a used BEV with poor residuals that's lost a lot of value already could be a smarter buy.
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Not noticed anyone mention finance costs. If you lease, you can choose a modest deposit (or none at all in certain cases). If you buy, the capital outlay will have to come upfront and either from savings (losing interest) or a loan (with interest added on top).

This cost needs to be factored in as weIl as depreciation. It could be that someone without savings can afford the monthly lease repayment, but not a bank loan for a new or used equivalent. In which case a slightly more expensive vehicle is better than nothing at all.
 
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Monkeyhanger said:
agood lease deal will almost always beat a PCP with a decent level of discount
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That's interesting, on ICE lease was always more expensive 3 years ago.
Does that exclude 0.0% PCP? With e-berlingo , for example, you get PCP ÂŁ100 cheaper (ÂŁ320/m, 1k deposit, 6k miles, 48m) than the cheapest lease I could find
 
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